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Comments by zicli

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Posted on February 15 at 8:42 a.m.

To Suzy,

I felt very sorry to hear the tragedy suffered by your own grandparents which have great similarity with those our grandparents experienced.

I did not mean that your own grandfathers individually killed mine. I present the following excepts just to tell you about the other side of the picture which you deny to look at:

-In Van, Çarıkser Village, a child was bayoneted and was cooked on fire as if he were a lamb.
-In Van, Ahtucu Village, the six-month old baby of a woman Zeliha, was thrown into the oven (tandır) by the Armenians while she was baking bread. Then the woman was ordered to eat her baby! When she rejected, her right leg was forced into the oven and burned (Telegram of Van Gendarme Troop Commander Ali Vasıf [11 May 1916].

- In Trabzon, the massacred Muslim folk were filled into wells and the bodies of people whose arms and legs had been plucked were thrown into the gardens. The mosques were defacated and even the fruit trees were violated (Telegram of Captain Ahmet Refik, 1 May, 1918).

- In Muş, the women were forced to stand naked and in position of performing the ‘namaz’ (ritual worship of Muslims). The Armenians mocked and told that they would conduct the Muslims to perform the namaz in this position while violating the women (Ermeni Komitelerinin Amal ve Harekat-ı İhtilaliyesi 319-21).

-In the Eastern Anatolia, it had become usual to see dead Muslims of all ages whose bodies had been destroyed, with heaps of cut up legs, arms, heads, noses around. The bodies of women displayed overt signs of violation by force. Russian Lieutenant Colonel Griyaznof reported that gun rockets were installed into the vaginas of women bodies.

-The Turks who had been slaughtered like animals were buried in large holes in the Eastern Anatolia (Lieutenant Colonel Twerdo-Khlebof. I wittnessed and I Lived Through Erzurum, 1917-1918. www.tsk.mil.tr/ermeni_sorunu/arsiv_belge...). (Ahmet Refik Altınay. İki Komite ve İki Kıtal. İstanbul, 1919;p.71-72). Alive children were also filled in these holes (Ermeni Komitelerinin Amal ve harekat-ı İhtilaliyesi, p 321-23).

-The Armenians blinded 15 000 Turkish soldiers and burned their skin by forcing them into so-called ‘disinfection pools’ with excessive crizole, in 1918, in the prisoner camp of Alexandropol, Egypt, in cooperation with the English soldiers (Altınay Ahmet, Bir Türk Subayının İngiliz Esir Kampında Üç Yılı, 2004).

-They murdered 40% of the Muslim population in Van, Bitlis, Erzurum (Özdemir Hikmet. Salgın Hastalıklardan Ölümler 1914-18. 2005).

I told you before that in spite of those, I felt sorry for the tragedies your grandparents experienced and I was ready to shed tears with you for them. And I asked you, if you were ready to acknowledge the suffering of Turks/Muslims too.

But my request has so far fallen on deaf ears.

On Calling for Consistency

Posted on February 13 at 8:46 a.m.

To Suzy,
I saw your reply today.
I was impressed on your expressing your sorrows on the murder of Turkish diplomats by Armenian ASALA. However, it is more impressing that you have not expressed any emotion on the death/massacre of Turks and Muslims by your Armenian grandparents, except denying! Why Suzy? Why?

I feel sorry for the tragedies your ancestors suffered because I do not feel none of you as enemies but human beings. I feel sorry for individually you too. Perhaps you are as old as my kids and you are one of the young people who has been trapped by hatred, the diasporean version of Armenian culture. It is this hatred that you do not accept any Turkish view and this is what makes you believe that your grandparents were completely innocent and never and never could inflict massacre upon the Turks/Muslims. ‘Hatred’ kidnaps a person's heart and mind and makes the most harm to its owner. It is because of this that I am sorry for you too.

Believe me, I am ready to cry together with you, for your historian sorrows although I have not met any of your grandparents some of whom murdered my grandparents, grand aunts, grand uncles relentlessly, and some served for this land and enriched the Anatolian culture. And what about you Suzy, what about you? Are you also ready to cry together with me, for the tragedies my grandparents suffered which was never less than those your grandparents suffered? I do not want to believe that your heart, a Christian's heart has turned a stone so easily.

On Calling for Consistency

Posted on February 10 at 7:24 a.m.

the rest of the previous message:
While the number of the Ottoman Armenians who had to immigrate for security was 500 000, the number of Muslims who had to immigrate to Anatolia’s more secure places to escape from the Russian- Armenian attacks in the Eastern Anatolia and Caucasia was 1 million, only during 1916 and 1917. Death rate among these immigrants and additionally the Turkish troops, because of cholera, typhus, dysentery outbreaks were very high. In Syria and Lebenon, massy death occurred because of poverty. English ships attacked the ships which carried wheat to Lebenon and had them sunk (Özdemir H,2005).
The sorrows suffered by the Turks in the 1st World War were not less than those the Armenians suffered. However, I feel deep sorrow not only for the Turks/other Muslims but for the Armenians also, because of the tragedy they suffered during the 1st World War. The Armenians had been our brothers and sisters for 800 years and still they are. However I expect the same feelings from the Armenians too. I am deeply sorry for them, since they are pledged by the hatred inside of them, which is continuously fed by their incapacitated leaders and which prevents them from focusing on even historical realities. They founded an outlaw terrorist organization ASALA and murdered 39 innocent Turkish diplomats. They pursued a ‘slandering campaign towards the Turkish Republic, lending support to three major documents which have already been shown by both the Turkish and foreign historians to be fake. It is because of this that the Armenians and Armenian diaspora strictly avoids of discussing these events with the historians from both sides, on historical documents from both sides.
Who feels afraid of bringing and displaying his proofs? Overtly, the one who does not trust his proofs.
Is it not?

On Calling for Consistency

Posted on February 10 at 7:21 a.m.

The most important and unacceptable attitude this passage displayed about the tragedies in 1915’s, in Anatolia is that it had not even touched at the tragedy the Ottoman Turks/Muslims suffered, during the same period. Such that:
The Armenians performed hundreds of revolts against the Ottomans, being organized by Armenian committees Hınçak and Taşnaksütyan (24 revolts only in September to December 1895). In 1905, the Armenians killed all the Turks and Muslims who lived in Suşa in Azarbaijan (Russian newspaper Novoye Obozrenye 6 September 1905). They do not want to remember that their grandfathers who struggled against the Ottomans in Armenian-Russian troops murdered 40% of the Muslim population in Van, Bitlis, Erzurum. ‘The Turks who had been slaughtered like animals were buried in large holes in the Eastern Anatolia’ writes Russian Lieutenant Colonel Twerdo-Khlebof in his diary (www.tsk.mil.tr/ermeni_sorunu/arsiv_belge...). Many mass graves have been found in the Eastern Anatolia. The Armenians who were invited to investigate these mass graves many times, insistently rejected these offers. Armenian Soviet historian A.A.Lalayan stated that the Dashnaks displayed extreme courage to massacre Turkish women, children and ill and old people (Contrarevolyutsionnıy ‘Daşnaktsutyun’ İ İmperialisti-çeskaya Voyna 1914-1918 gg.’, Revolyutsionnıy Vostok, No.23, p.92, 1936).
(will go on in the next box)

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