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Posted on June 29 at 11:43 a.m.
To the surviving family members of the deceased, bring your story to the public. The Indy has courageous investigative reporters anxious to hear and write your story. Provide them with telephone records, last known place of contact, re-create their activities 24 hours before their demise. Share their personal habits, what did they say about their school life and housing arraingements, their schedule of events, both academic and social, their normal sleeping patterns, shared lodging accommodations, were they insomniacs, did they study late into the night.
Don't let them pass in vain.
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Posted on June 29 at 8:40 a.m.
Back to the article and to argue about the deaths of the 3 young Asian men. The alleged shooting spree began after 9 pm and ended before 10pm. this leaves 2 scenarios. The men were neatly asleep before 830pm, tucked away in their beds, sound asleep and Elliot creeped in slowly and silently, so lightly that he was able to crawl next to each of the individuals and neatly cut each of their jugulars without a squeal from any of them. They died silently in their sleep. Or scenario 2, they were killed the night before and left in their beds to bleed out for at least 24 hours, assuming the visitor arrived on Thursday.
There is no timeline about when the videos were recorded, no timeline about the details of the 3 young Asian men of their day prior to their untimely deaths and what was Elliot's day like on the 24 hours prior to the alleged shooting spree.
Rational people would like these mysteries answers. Its what's expected out of any murder case. The opportunity to question all alibis.
However, only delusional people and the mentally disturbed would be completely satisfied with the status quo of this investigation.
Sadly, the mainstream media has corralled the mentality of the majority of the unsuspecting American public by presenting them with a cheesy timeline of a rehearsed shooting spree complete with a diagram making noted points of interest with Xs and Arrows. The unsuspecting American public has been led to believe that the case is closed. It was a deranged "lone gunman". And safety has been restored.
To the families of the 3 young Asian men, fight the system, demand detailed answers from the local authorities, retrieve the bodies of your deceased family members and offer them their long awaited funeral and burials. You are not alone. There are many skeptics here in town that are sympathetic to your losses. Prayers and heart-felt thoughts go out to you.
Posted on June 29 at 8:39 a.m.
Those labeled "conspiracy theorist" prove to do research to support their inquiries that identify inconsistencies and deviations from conventional norms, like the collapse of Building 7, no airplane found at the Pentagon, controlled demolition of 2 skyscrapers (never in human history had it ever happened that airplanes vaporized buildings nor has it been duplicated). These skeptics are prepared to address those that will attack their position. They are commended for their courage and perseverance for truth and justice.
The mightiest superpower taken down by box cutter wilding "bad" men (completely absurd storyline), James Homes found completed loaded off his ass in his car unable to even stand on his own two feet and the unfired guns still in his car, absolutely no records available for research of Sandy Hook that would substantiate the deaths of all those children and documentation by official autopsies and coroners reports to note the fatal shots of each of the children, and now 3 young Asian men murdered without any detail about it.
Here we have the rational normal people attacking the skeptics that question the official storylines as mentally disturbed and delusional. However, the only counter- argument is to ridicule and insult the skeptics that bring to the surface elements that have transpired to contradict the normal expectations.
It’s encouraging to see that more people are participating in these forums with their genuine notions that counter the official story lines. A few years ago it was only a few others and I. i encourage you to continue to share your skepticism. It’s catching fire. Unfortunately, the Indy and the other local newsprints only print political material that is non-controversial or perpetuate the political debate to a very narrow paradigm of Right vs. Left and the world is left to be defined in these terms. Rarely do the local newsprint offer us skeptics real material for a real debate.
Posted on June 28 at 6:28 a.m.
again, the irony.
definition of Troll:In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
the discussion was a civil one, until the discussion group Gestapo showed up. They attack posters to illicit an emotional response, attempt to upset the blog participants with baseless and unfounder insults, off-topic attacks with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response.
then they accuse those of not toting the line as being mindless sheeple.
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Posted on June 27 at 7:03 p.m.
Herschel has just dumbed down the debate to a joust in insults. You win.
Perhaps you can site a coroner's report of the dead at Sandy Hook, all the funerals and locate them.
Posted on June 27 at 6:56 p.m.
Herschel, i'm not new. i've been around. i just don't particiapte in your political party politics. your paradigm is too small to garner my interest
Posted on June 27 at 6:52 p.m.
Herschel there are no facts available to support the official storyline. you like science don't you? prove that the murder's took place, site official coroner's reports, pictures of the deceased, fatal wounds, point of entry of the bullet. You have the opportunity to quash any inquiries that question the official storyline. please spare us the conjecture and speculations. its a murder case. it should rely on hard evidence.
Posted on June 27 at 6:47 p.m.
so we got billclausen's theory that the young asian men were murdered in their sleep. were they sleeping together in the same room, or were they in separate rooms, and perhaps speculate on the timeline.
after bill states his theory, ironically he continues to ridicule conspiracy theorists, unbeknownst to himself that he just joined the official conspiracy theory storyline that the men were neatly murdered in their sleep. this is only a theory that bill puts forth becasue he has absolutely nothing to back it up.
Posted on June 27 at 6:08 p.m.
Ken, help me out. Make your point about what is factual and what is delusional. Make your case and debunk what contradicts the official storyline.
Apparently there is a fully documented case somewhere that seems to leave out the details about the young asian men. the parents of the young men deserve an explanation. what is mentally disturbing to you about their loss and their need for closure?
the irony of those captured by the carrot being dangled in front of them as an official storyline, and referring to those that question the storyline as sheeple.
i hope you can debate better than just spitting out unfounded rhetoric loaded with insults.
why would an investigation not be completed if its deemed a lone gunman did it? what does it convey to the public when the culprit is a lone gunman?
how much work those it take for a coroner to identify the fatal blows that killed the young asian men?
what guns were fired at each location? do the ballsitics match the guns allegedly fired at each location?
Ken, feel free to provide your theories on this.
Posted on June 27 at 3:17 p.m.
the crime scene was not secured. students were allowed to walk through and around the crime scenes, placing flowers in bullet holes. no ballsitic reports and allowing staff to clean up a crime scene is not conventional investigative procedure.
the investigation has been halted. no need to investigate any further. the culprit is dead. the point of entry of the bullet to the head should be disclosed. the cause of death of the three men should be disclosed, too, and a timeline for the murder.
its a high profile case. no need to delay it anymore.
your stating a fact that there was no need for Hazmat. can you site a source? or is this speculation?
you state that the crime scene was fully documented. site your source? or more speculation? the official report was that Elliot obviously shot himself. provide us the detail of the fully documented crime scene of the murdered victims in the apartment. or more speculation?
if the case is closed. no further investigation is need since it was a lone gunman, what is holding up the autopsy reports? feel free to speculate some more.