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Posted on January 28 at 6:03 p.m.
There is no best solution; it’s more a matter of best worst solution. Identification will always have issues, but that does not mean we should give up. We only have the tools at hand, I believe a combination of IQ testing, Achievement testing, teacher recognition, and parent involvement when used together can catch most. Remember Gifted is not always the one that does best in class, it’s a different way of looking at things. I like to say when you see one gifted kid; you have seen one gifted kid. Cookie cutter descriptions do not always fit. The thing that has always disturbed me is the money spent on the lowest 5% compares to the highest 5% has never been even close to equal. As a parent of an HG kid, there are no accommodations. I understand why, but it’s hard to see no money for one, and individual aids for another. Both sides of the spectrum need help. I think many believe because you are gifted you will do better. The funny thing is that within the gifted population the graduation rate is the same. Many gifted students have difficulty later in life through never learning to overcome challenge, they value themselves by their intellect rather than effort. If our academic institutions better addressed their needs and taught within their zone or development, the better served they would be.
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Posted on January 27 at 5:59 p.m.
Dr. DanI agree that this forum is too short for many of these issues. There are so many different factors to consider when looking at GATE. Higher income allows more time at home and more involvement. Culture also matters when we look at parental involvement and also role modeling. Each on a macro scale can drive scores. On an individual level these items can matter as well, but personality comes more into play. I do however note that raw IQ cannot be overlooked. There are some that just learn fast. If you look at the smaller population of HG, EG and PG students it becomes obvious the current education modes start to fall apart. If you look at the gifted (I dislike the term, but I use IQ 130+) they do need a different form of learning. It's too bad most see this as a privilege. We accept gifted athletes and see no problem in placing them with top performing athletes, but when it comes to education we cannot seem to see that some just learn quicker than others. I believe all should be given the same chance, but not the same outcome. We are each different. If I was king of the world we would have IEPs for every student so that they could each move forward at their own pace, rather then a pre-determined idea that says everyone should know Algebra by 8th grade. It’s like saying everyone will be 5'2" by the 8th grade. The schools also cannot change the family the students come from, and yes money can and should be able to buy some privilege. It is short sighted to think otherwise. Money will not raise someone’s IQ, but it will give an involved parent the opportunity to provide things for their children that others cannot.
Posted on January 25 at 3:52 p.m.
Hi BillSpanish only part of the issue, I know a number of Korean familys that speak very poor english, but their children qualify for GATE. Its also how education is viewed, and how involved parents are. Money can be an issue, because of it allowing more time for parental involvement. I belive its to easy to blame it soly on language.
Posted on January 25 at 3:38 p.m.
Their are a number of issues that affect why their is a disportant number of GATE students. Many of the tetst used to dertermin GATE status are achievment driven rather then IQ driven. Achivement tests at young af=ges can easly be improved by parents that are more activly invloved in their childs education. Early home involvemnet can improve a studnets score on achievement based tests. This is not about hot housing kids, its just about parents that read more, or teach children to read or do math at home pre-k. If the demographgics favor a home where education is prominante, or finances allow pre-k teaching, these students will have a greater liklyhood of being in GATE. Advocacy also will play a role. Choosing better test methods (IQ based, this still has some issues at young ages), and alowing more parent involment can help. Also allowing GATE admissions and testing regardles of age will also help. However the #1 indicator of GATE will still be parental involvement in the childs eduaction.
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