Posted on October 17 at 9:33 p.m.

Excellent points equus.

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Posted on October 12 at 10:11 a.m.

Typo's commentary in Noozhawk is so good, it's worth posting the link again:

http://www.noozhawk.com/point_of_view/ar...

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Posted on October 12 at 10:04 a.m.

Keep up the good work making clear the moral rightness of equal marriage rights. I have yet to hear a logical reason why Prop 8 should pass.
People opposed to gay marriage often present seemingly rational arguments that break down upon scrutiny, such as the original position put forth here:
Legalizing gay marriage is bad because adoption agencies will have to place children in gay families, and adopted children will be hurt by not having a mom and a dad: the hetero family is best for raising children.

This argument is ostensibly a logical one. It would seem that we who disagree could attack its logic and its premises. Bravo to all you who have brought up excellent facts and logic to show the many flaws in this position. Notice how the defenders of the position never bring in any facts or logic to back up the position. Instead they bring up other flawed arguments, they fixate on the attacks they feel are leveled at them, they attack back, etc.

The arguments offered for denying gays the right to marry ARE NOT LOGICAL and can’t be defended logically. Even when they try to appear logical, these positions are not.

Then it’s easy—and understandable!—for progressives to become frustrated with the reality that if their viewpoints don’t really emanate from a rational place, those viewpoints must emanate from a place of fear and emotion. So then we lob the obvious terms—the people who hold these views must be homophobes. They must be bigots.

They probably are, but calling them names does nothing to make our logical and morally right positions clear. No matter how frustrating it is to realize that reason won’t get through to many of these folks, name calling runs the risk of alienating those we might convince, and it lowers us to that illogical level. Name calling also gives some members of the discussion a whole new tangent to go on that distracts from the illogic of their positions.

Keep up the good fight and stick to logic and civil discourse! Facts, reason, and morality are on our side in this debate. We don’t have to point out fear and hatred—these reveal themselves.

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