Suspect Arrested in Shooting of Two Men

When these pieces of *!#? stab each other, the incident remains confined to the two parties involved in the altercation.

When they start shooting each other, and only 2 of the 5 to 6 rounds fired from the gun hit their target, that leaves 3 to 4 bullets stray, only to find a home in the crib of a sleeping baby in a nearby house. Or the head of a innocent passer-byer. Or maybe to a pregnant mother walking out of the market on the corner.

How much more will we accept before we finally put a foot down. Are we trying to be the next Guadalupe? Where is the mayor with the keys to the handcuffs she has on our police? Why doesn't she have foot patrols seven nights a week in these neighborhoods? Does she want the violence to come to State Street on a Saturday afternoon?

Until we ship the 3rd world back to the 3rd world, I'm going to keep my gun(which I own and carry legally. I know amazing huh?) close at hand.

And by the way, I DON'T MISS!!!!!

Score another accomplishment for the Blum administration. This is a historical first for Santa Barbara. Our first gang shooting. Congratulations to the Police Chief Sanchez for all of his hard work against gangs using soft tactics and wait-til-something- happens-to- do-anything crime fighting philosophy.

The police know exactly who and where these punks are. They know where they work (yes some of them have been arrested at their place of work- despite the "nothing stops a bullet like a job" philosophy of Das Williams). They know where they hang out. But their hands are tied by Sanchez ad the City leaders, who fear to be accused of profiling or racism.

Chris, when are you and the other Indy reporters going to start reporting immigration status of perpetrators so we can make informed decisions when we vote? Santa Barbara is starting to look a lot like drug lord and gang ruled Mexico, I wonder if there is a connection?

A sincere congratulations again to our excellent Police Department - they do a great job AFTER a crime has already been committed, and their hands are untied.. Too bad they will soon be back on the streets because of crowded jails and courts. It is unfortunate the City and Police will not allow them to do anything pro-active or preventative. (gang injunction, curfew, keeping an eye on parolees or probationees, 287(g) agreements with ICE, more jails). How much worse does it have to get?

Does nobody remember this was not even an issue just two short years ago? Remember that at the ballot box.

What I would like ot know is why we have "documented Santa Barbara gang members" roaming the streets, and whether or not they are also documented United States citizens.

Could you find out for us Chris?

livingsb & AShaw for City Council!!

Who's with me?

People like livingsb and AShaw have an illusion of SB that it's some paradise on the Central Coast and that it's possible to eliminate crime by shipping out undocumented immigrants. You're both wrong. Save your inflammatory comments for your Minute Men meeting. Immigration status has nothing to do with this shooting so it was not reported.

Report it anyway to prove it!

I have lived here 40 years bigyoon and up until two years ago it WAS a paradise on the Central Coast. I am under no illusion that it still is. Yes there have been gangs, but a stabbing was a rare event - a shooting unimaginable. A murder even more so. We have had three in the last two years. Where have you been, Oxnard? I don't know about you, but I work too hard (three jobs) and pay too much to live in the equivalent of Oxnard or Mexico. Are we supposed to accept this as par for the coarse and the escalation just to be expected and accepted?

Probably the same punkasses selling meth down at the labor wall.

As far as illegal immigration not being a factor you are dangerously naive, since this entire gang culture is based on allegiance to Mexico. How many gang names have the number 13 in them? MS13 for example, Goleta 13 - do you know why? 'M' for Mexico is the 13th letter of the alphabet. La Eme is another notorious LA street gang. Eme means M in Spanish. Get it yet? If the participants are not illegal themselves, they are certainly influenced and/or intimidated by the culture that demands allegiance to one gang or another. We have Mexican nationals from Mexican drug cartels operating in our mountains. Stop being so politically correct and naive before it is too late. Save your tolerance, diversity promotions and politically correct rhetoric for your next Montecito wine and cheese party. I will be a lot less outspoken when the Police and media give us some facts on whether or not the perpetrators even speak English. Give us evidence to back up your claims that they are NOT illegal. That is all I ask. Even if they are legal its a fair guess that their parents are not.

A reading of the local Police blotters will give you multiple incidents of arrests where the violation was possession of a falsified Drivers license or Social Security number. They won't be deported, but they will be cited with possession of a fake document that they bought for $25 in LA. What does that tell you about our fair sanctuary city and those that run it? Go ahead and call me a racist as I know that will be your next tack. Life is more important than cowering from the threat of a falsely applied label of racism. Being inflammatory is EXACTLY what I am trying to accomplish, because everyone else is far too passive about it. That's why people are being stabbed and murdered. Why do you NOT have a problem with that?

Everyone can cry all they want but it's only going to get worse. So enjoy it while you still can.

Rather than focusing on the fact that many of these gangs are made up of Mexicans, perhaps we should concider the fact that economics are to blame. NOT RACE!

Unless you personally plan on doing the jobs we are forced to take due to our circumstances, I really don't think you have the right to ignore the fact that your way of life is dependant on the cheap labor of illegal immigrants.

So, maybe if mexicans, and all other illegal immigrants were paid a living wage, we could get the education that is going to ennable us to get jobs which are engaging. It is true that a worthless job is worthless in stoping bullets, and until the people who contribute possitively to this community are accepted as valuable, other people of the same race will have no reason to aspire to anything other than violence. Because frankly, sometimes it feels like there's not much to aspire to.

How does saying 'deport them all' give this city any hope? Its unrealistic, nieve, and infuriating. You wonder why there are gangs? True, I agree completly that their tactics are misguided and destructive. But I hope that people realize that so much of this anger and violence comes out of frustration with the very mentality which you think is going to end it.

That cheap labor BmBm was once done by high school students and down and out citizens who can no longer get work because they are not bilingual! Your cheap labor might save your employer money but costs society too much - take it all back where you came from. The idea we depend on illegal immigrants for cheap labor is a myth. There are plenty of legal immigrants, poor Americans or those on work visas willing to do the work. If you can't make it here on your own will power hard work and determination go somewhere that you can. Don't blame everyone else for not giving you a living I'm tired of the sob stories and excuses. Why do you deserve a living wage if you don't even deserve to be a citizen? Come into the country legally, wait in line behind everyone else that wants to come in legally and then we can talk!

you with the commment about mex who picks you fruit and works the places you go to eat its pepole like you who would never think about going out in the fields to pick you fruits and veg you wont get your hands dirty the parents of most of they kids were are they and you races a.... go drink your coffee and eat your your food we picked for youuuuuu

What does it take to get a gang injunction?

Hey Pride805, have you heard of spell check?

I believe it's fair to say that everyone is concerned with crime in SB; some, obviously, more than others. My problem with your "solution" is that it involves ASSUMING Latino gang members are undocumented (and who gives a s**t if their parents are?), that they are the sole perpetrators of crimes here and that the LOCAL police should perform duties of the FEDERAL government. Call me naive but at least I'm not ignorant.

Re: racist label - no need to state the obvious, pal.

Actually bigyoonit, livingsb and AShaw are correct. I have worked in public service in Santa Barbara for almost a decade, I see the SB that most SB residents don’t realize exists and yet up until 2 years ago we were never seeing this kind of thing, yes we saw stabbings occasionally but most were domestic violence related, not gang; shootings were what we heard of happening in LA but were never seen in SB. I grew up and lived in this same neighborhood up until 3 years ago, and never saw this kind of thing happen before. Yeah there were fights and drunken brawls but stabbings – never saw one when I lived there for almost 20 years, and shootings – never. The cops have their hands extremely tightly handcuffed behind their backs and until the bosses with the keys untighten them or take them off completely we aren’t going to see a lot of change in the way of crime PREVENTION here. We all know that the federal government failed on more levels than we can count but that doesn’t mean that the local police have to fail.

And BmBm, when my family immigrated to the US, legally, we were broke. We had no money, my parents didn’t speak English and we are not Mexicans so no going around that path of getting a job. We started with nothing and yet somehow my parents made it, they worked 2 or 3 jobs each, making minimum wage and raising 5 kids, and on top of that went to night school to learn English, (how many Mexicans legal or otherwise live in the US for decades and still know not a word of English?) to give us a better opportunity, they found ways to put a roof over our heads and food on the table, and they helped pay for 5 college tuitions. So are economics to blame I don’t think so, my family had everything going against us yet we strived to get out of our situation and make something of ourselves because we owed that to ourselves and to the country and the people that opened up their home to us. Most Mexicans think it is their God-given right to live here and that Americans are just supposed to hand everything to them on a platter, well wake up and smell the f**king roses because it is not your f**king right, no one has to give you anything. It's up to you to make a better life for yourself, it's up to you to get yourself out of the cards that you were dealt.

My solution, lock the parents up right along side their kids maybe than the parents will finally start caring about their freaken kids and what they are doing with their lives.

Thank you MedicJ. Maybe you and I and AShaw( where are ya my friend?) should all run for city council.

One voice at a time my friends!

livingsb:
And I don't miss? Every shooter misses. Somehow I doubt you have a CCW. If you do, I hope the issuing agency reads your remarks. Your CCW would be history if my agency had issued it.

Of course he doesn't have a CCW why would we want a law abiding citizen to be able to assist in crime prevention when the police are not around?

For those of you who like to pretend ( and expect us to believe) that the accommodation of illegal immigration in this town has had nothing to do with the escalation of gang violence read this:

Taking Back the Streets: ICE and Local Law Enforcement Target Immigrant Gangs

http://www.cis.org/ImmigrantGang

livinginSB if Frank Hotchkiss couldn't get elected there is not much chance for you or I in this naive City lacking severely in common sense. The gang problem escalates before our eyes and all the Mayor and Council have to do is install some solar panels, provide more affordable housing, push for a living wage, outlaw plastic bottles at City events, officiate at gay weddings, (Mayor Blum) promote abortion (Helene Schneider), host peace marches and anti war demonstrations and resolutions, and the citizens are falling all over themselves with praise and support. However Dale Francisco made it and it is a great start. The next election for Mayor is critical - I hope it isn't just a promotion from the Council.

Web admin if you are going to remove my response to brownpride 805, how about also removing his offensive comment in which he called me a racist ?

Translation (races = racist)

So what agency is it p3 that can retract a CCW for exercising his freedom of expression? Pretty fascist agency

key excerpts from http://www.cis.org/ImmigrantGang

Over the past few decades, the United States has experienced an increase in the number and size of gangs made up largely if not entirely of immigrant youth (legal and illegal) and the U.S.-born children of legal and illegal immigrants. 8 Gang members of 53 different nationalities are represented in the ICE arrest data (See Figure 1), with the majority (75 percent) coming from Mexico and El Salvador, both of which have high rates of legal and illegal immigration to the United States. Some gangs — the 18th Street Gang and Mara Salvatrucha (or MS-13), for example — are believed to have a largely illegal alien membership.

Operation Community Shield. This effort has produced incalculable public safety benefits for American communities, despite being criticized periodically by immigrant and civil liberties advocates that are consistently opposed to all immigration law enforcement.

Local governments and law enforcement agencies that shun involvement in immigration law enforcement are missing an opportunity to protect their communities from criminal immigrant gang activity. Policymakers should take further steps to institutionalize partnerships between state and local law enforcement agencies and ICE in order to address gang and other crime problems with a connection to immigration.

I laugh at all the comments here. There so funny! Just give it a few more years. You'll See

I think the Mexican government as well a a segment of US government are in cahoots with each other in keeping things just the way they are. By continuing and perpetrating a language barrier they can exploit the poor for all they are worth and the natural ability to defend themselves is greatly reduced by this natural"Berlin Wall" so to speak. In many European countries their youth are taught more than one language and it is a requirement of graduating High School. In California there is a need for Spanish to be taught to English speaking students and for English to be taught to Spanish speaking citizens, instead they just took away bi-lingual classes for Spanish speaking students. Maybe I'm being extremely simplistic but I think the powers that be know exactly what they are doing and how it profits them to continue doing business as usual. Mexico is a beautiful country why would anyone want to leave it unless they are not being paid fair wages or allowed opportunities to advance? Exploiting the poor and uneducated has been going on since the beginning of recorded history and sometimes simple solutions are all that is required to bring about radical change.