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Eliminate year-long parking passes for harbor slip-owners?

No, creating bureaucratic headaches for local wharf rats is just ugly. 30% 40 votes
Yes, they need to move their vehicles around so customers can patronize harbor businesses. 30% 41 votes
No, but offer a greater variety of passes at different prices. 39% 52 votes
133 total votes

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None of the the people with the special permits OWN their slips. The city/Waterfront owns them and the slip holders pay monthly rent. People who live on their boats often go multiple days if not weeks without driving their cars because they are conveniently located to work, grocery stores, etc and can bike or walk. Some liveaboards work in the harbor and have very little need for daily use of their vehicles. Commercial fisherman often go for multiple days or even weeks without driving when they are out at sea for extended periods of time and they need the benefit of the slipholder parking permits.

There are a set amount of "year long" parking passes allocated only for slip holders so they have the convenience of having a place to park their vehicle while on multi-day trips or if they live aboard as noted above. Liveaboards also pay an extra fee for the extra use of facilities, which include parking, water, electricity, etc. This proposal would be like your home or apartment landlord telling you to move your car from the driveway every 3 days or pay a fine. Also, there are really only a few dozen cars at any one time that aren't regularly moving around - it's not like there's a lot full of cars that never move, not even.

If there's a concern about patrons needing extra parking in this specific lot, then why does the Waterfront sell an unlimited number of Waterfront parking passes to SBCC students? SBCC students jam up BOTH lots and make it difficult and at times impossible for harbor workers, slip holders, fishermen, beach goers and people who actually do their activities WITHIN the Harbor to find a parking spot. SBCC students should be parking at SBCC or at least restricted to the west Leadbetter beach lot which is mostly SBCC students during the week and beach goers during the weekends.

93101SB (anonymous profile)
March 19, 2013 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The parking lot fills up a few times every year, I was told the number of days are growing every year. I think it's up to 30 days out of 365. Those days are holidays, Semana Nautica, volleyball tournaments, swim meets, harbor festivals, cruise ship visits (22 this summer), SBCC events and so on.

I have used the harbor for over 40 years and can remember this filling of parking spaces for that long and for the almost all the same reasons. One thing anyone will notice if you come to the harbor on those days will be the vehicles waiting in line to get in and the sign the harbor-parking department puts up “Lot Full”.

You could get rid of all those pesky boat owners and their boats by filling up the harbor and paving it over and there would still be a shortage of parking spaces on the those very same days. And yes there would still be a line waiting to get in.
It’s just like the movie “Field of Dreams” build it and they will come.

hbanick (anonymous profile)
March 19, 2013 at 7:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There needs to be much less emphasis on pleasing tourists and more focus on improving the lives of residents.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
March 19, 2013 at 9:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The ones affected by the crowded harbor parking lot are not only the tourists but the locals, as well, wanting to eat at the restaurants, rent sailboats from the sailing center or just stroll about to enjoy the ambiance. And then there's all the employees of the waterfront businesses and the harbor; most all of them probably park there. Slip tenants should not be allowed to have a year-long storage space for a vehicle that doesn't move.

at_large (anonymous profile)
March 20, 2013 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

People who live in houses get "year long storage spaces" for their cars on the street. The people living on the boats pay for that privilege.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
March 20, 2013 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"At Large" said - "Slip tenants should not be allowed to have a year-long storage space for a vehicle that doesn't move."

- I agree and this is the only problem, and it's not that many vehicles compared to the number of spaces. The idea to punish every slip holder for this is the wrong approach. The Harbor Patrol and Waterfront knows absolutely who those year long non-moving storage car and milk truck owners are. Perhaps the Waterfront could propose an "application" for a year long parking permit. Based on previous history, people who are obviously taking advantage of the system should get denied. The slip holders who are in accordance with the rules and not "abusing" the loophole should receive year round permits. The current proposal would be devastating mostly to liveaboards and fisherman who are the core of the Harbor community, and also to boat owners who take extended length trips multiple times per year.

This proposal if passed will cause a lot of resentment towards the Waterfront with some year round slip holders and this type of division between the two parties is unhealthy in such a small community.

The the best thing is to work together and come to a plausible agreement instead of simply cutting everybody off.

Either get revoke privileges to the obvious abusers or make year round permits application required by all slip holders.

I think that's fair, do you?

93101SB (anonymous profile)
March 20, 2013 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, K_V, people who live in houses can "store" their vehicles on the public street, but those vehicles are subject to be towed if parked for five consecutive days (in the County).

discoboy (anonymous profile)
March 20, 2013 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And in the city of SB, those vehicles can be ticketed if they are not moved for 72 hours. There are storage facilities on Caesar Chavez, about a mile away from the harbor.

I agree, 93101SB, that liveaboards who do not use the parking lot as a storage facility and active boat users, fishermen and others, should be able to get extended parking privileges - and privilege it is in the public lot.

But there are others, including those with the regular red passes, who are abusing the system by going away for months, not sailing but simply traveling. The stored vehicles take up needed spaces, including from the businesses who depend on their customers being able to park, Sea Landing and the Sea Center --- both of which pay a lot of rent.

at_large (anonymous profile)
March 20, 2013 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why all this animosity towards the very people who give Santa Barbara what little soul it has left?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
March 20, 2013 at 11:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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