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Cyclists should ride

as close as practicable to the right-hand curb. 60% 142 votes
In the middle of the lane – conspicuous, consistent, and safe from getting 'doored.' 26% 62 votes
in cars. 12% 29 votes
233 total votes

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JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
August 8, 2013 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, 12 people really said "in cars"??

How do you live with yourself?

loonpt (anonymous profile)
August 8, 2013 at 12:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How do you?

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
August 8, 2013 at 6:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I drive most of the time, not proud of it but that's how it goes for me. The way I live with myself is I don't tell other people what to do. That's how. And I certainly don't disparage people who go through great lengths to ensure they don't have to travel very far on a daily basis and are able to use more efficient means of transportation that relies on their own physical power. That's just stupid. You can do it if you want, it just comes off as really ignorant.

That's not to say that biking has zero impact on the environment, bikers actually have to eat more food to give them the energy they need which depending on their food source may entail using a lot of fossil fuels to grow the food and get it to their door. Or they can get their food source from more responsible sources. But a rich person can also buy an electric car like a Tesla and charge it with solar power.

However, bikes have much less impact on the roads than cars. They don't take up nearly as much room and they have just as much right to be there. So, again, disparaging bikers just comes off as extremely ignorant.

Not all bikers act perfect on the roadway, but most of are just fine. However no matter how they act, they aren't all one person and it is their life they are risking, not yours. So disparaging bikers as a whole for the actions of a few also comes off as very ignorant.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
August 12, 2013 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I sometimes cycle through SB on a commute, and generally go with the 60% voting stay hard right. The new bulbouts are NOT helpful to these hugging cyclists.
However, I'm also fearful of "dooring" or cars hurtling out of their narrow driveways there on Micheltorena between Bath and State St... Whenever possible, I try to go quite early, and in those cases it's MIDDLE OF THE LANE all-the-way. The Middle Path works out fine! Jamming down State St at 6:30 a.m. can be a gas, though 'gotta be watchful and time the green lights, then turn one way or another at the dolphin fountain (Thanks Mr. Bottoms).
Ride those bikes!

DrDan (anonymous profile)
August 12, 2013 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

the loon points out JL's normal thinking in chiding him for "disparaging bikers as a whole for the actions of a few also comes off as very ignorant." Of course, he will then states he never said that. And so on. The usual. But am I not predictable myself, eh??
loonpt, I also drive some of the time, and I struggle to make myself bike the commute since it takes more time to bike than to drive. Agreeing with you mostly, but don't accept your point that an erratic biker is OK since "it is their life they are risking, not yours." As a motorist I've tangled with crazed bicyclists who were endangering me and others in the street.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
August 12, 2013 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually, I comment on bicyclists who ignore stop signs, red lights, yield signs, crosswalks, etc. i.e the lawbreakers, not all bicyclists. Like the one DrDan mentions: " As a motorist I've tangled with crazed bicyclists who were endangering me and others in the street."

Seems like many posters herein are unable to make fine distinctions. Bicycles are a fine way to travel in our small town, with many traffic considerations (bike lanes) made for them. But they ALL should obey ALL the traffic laws, as MOST do MOST of the time.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
August 13, 2013 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As a bicyclist who has been hit twice by automobiles I will obey ALL the traffic laws when ALL the drivers do as well.

discoboy (anonymous profile)
August 13, 2013 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have said many times that all drivers, as well as cyclists and peds, should obey all traffic laws and do so myself. Having said that, a man or woman on a bicycle or on foot is no match for a car, so one might consider caution instead of confrontation.

There was one serious (critical care serious) injury this year in which a young women on a bicycle with earphones on ran a red light and got hit. With all sympathy for her injuries, this was just monumental stupidity on her part. She was cited for running a red light.

There was another injury in which a woman reading texts on her phone walked into a crosswalk without looking and into a car that was already proceeding. She too was injured and cited. I've seen people cross the street without looking many, many times. My mother taught me better when I was six years old.

My car was hit by a testosterone-fueled teenager on a skateboard who jumped his board off the sidewalk into the street, ran a stop sign, made an illegal U turn in the middle of an interstection, and proceeded back the way he had come, on the wrong side of the street, without bothering to look until too late. BAM. Stupid. Broke three laws; lucky for him he wasn't hurt, but he did scream at me for being "in his right of way since he was a pedestrian".

To elaborate on my earlier comment, ALL drivers, bicyclists, skateboarders, scooterers, motorcyclists, and pedestrians should obey ALL the traffic laws ALL the time. Start now yourself.

And for those unable to make fine distinctions, let my clarify that I am not disparaging all cyclists, only those who consider themselves above the law.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
August 13, 2013 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I witnessed a wild cyclist -- found out later he was late for work -- who ran a red light (Sola & State, or Arlington Ave & State) and slammed into the side of a slow-moving truck. Called 911, etc., the kid had no ID, spoke no English, was in double agony: he was hurt (not too bad I think) and he indicated in another language that he'd lose his job. It was nuts: a second or two earlier and the very large truck would've munched him.. Ran the red!

DrDan (anonymous profile)
August 13, 2013 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Illustrates my point.....

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
August 13, 2013 at 8:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I drive a lot and the only dangerous thing I have seen bikers do is go the wrong way on the bike lane on the wrong side of the street - I go to turn right and I look both ways on a semi-blind curve just to about pull out into a biker heading the wrong way right towards me. If they are going to be on the wrong side of the street they should ride on the sidewalk and slow down at intersections and be cautious where cars are coming out. Of course I only see this happen at one place and it is on northbound Hollister, north of CostCo where if you live in that neighborhood I can understand why you wouldn't want to cross that big ol wide street then have to deal with crossing back 4 lanes of traffic when you could stick to the left side and avoid it all.. but they just need to understand if they are doing that cars won't always see them at the intersections.

I agree bikers need to be careful and generally agree they should obey most traffic laws, but there are also exceptions. There is no reason for a bike to stop at a light or a stop sign if they can clearly see there are no cars coming in either direction. Although bikers in Isla Vista should always exercise extreme caution, walkers and bikers generally get the right-of-way at all times with the exception of the downtown area and do not stop at stop signs unless a car is coming the other way at full speed - otherwise cars in IV generally slow down for bikers to cross even if the biker has a stop sign and a car does not.

I just think a lot of it is getting overblown is all, I think with the amount of bikes in our community things generally go pretty well. And I would encourage more people to bike if they can and want to.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
August 28, 2013 at 5:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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