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Are you better off than you were four years ago?

Yes 45% 156 votes
No 37% 131 votes
Better financially but I feel worse. 4% 15 votes
Worse financially but I feel better. 12% 43 votes
345 total votes

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yes, in spite of 'you didn't build that' Obama.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
October 8, 2012 at 8:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

HAHAHAHAHA! Good one. I get it...it's funny because people really do build national and global infrastructure from scratch every time they start a new business. Obama's so out of touch.

Kingprawn (anonymous profile)
October 8, 2012 at 12:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is it better to be on, or off?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 8, 2012 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Uh, governments of all kinds build infrastructure. In our country the peoples' money (taxes) build infrastructure for the benefit of all. The comment was just dumb and indicative of someone who does not value individual contribution but believes that big government solves all problems.

In fact, our infrastructure is decaying because our government has not been allocating the necessary tax revenue to maintain it. Figures from our local gov published last week indicate they are spending a small fraction of what is really required for local road maintenance.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
October 9, 2012 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"...big government solves all problems." @JohnLocke

I agree.

Kingprawn (anonymous profile)
October 9, 2012 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The whole "you didn't build that" issue had nothing to do with infrastructure. And if you want to get technical, half the infrastructure being built in California is built by private developers as a condition of their projects. So, no, government is not building that.

The whole "you didn't build that" had to do with businesses, especially small businesses. Obama claimed without the help of government, those businesses could not exist. Which is an absolute crock. We all know how difficult it is to run a business in this state, in spite of California's overbearing government.

So it was a perfect quote to seize upon. It's only gotten more difficult to run a business in this country, no thanks to the government that Obama created. Which didn't build it.

sbdude (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sbdude,
So 150 years of publicly financed infrastructure didn't and doesn't aid business but Obama created our government?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

@sbdude & @JohnLocke,

He said "somebody" helped, not "government". Teachers were referenced. He also mentioned, "roads and bridges" in a sentence that preceded the "you didn't build that" statement. So, yes, President Obama did specifically reference infrastructure immediately prior to the statement with which you and I take issue. It was a clumsy thing to say.

Kingprawn (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Baraka Obama, July 13, 2012, Roanoke Fire Station #1, Roanoke, Virginia:

“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”

binky (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with Obama on this one despite all the disingenuous attempts to parse and twist his words into something else.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The internet is a great example of government helping to build infrastructure so that people can benefit (and UCSB played a big role in that too).

Anyone who works in technology knows the government funds all kinds of research, private/public partnerships, and other initiatives that benefit the private sector. As with any investment portfolio, not all of them bear fruit but many do.

Abel Maldonado could learn a few things from this thread.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I thought Al Gore built the internet!

Botany (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How many people here are comfortable with Bain Capital subsidiary Intercivic supplying voting machines?
Despite our many and varied disagreements on issues, I think we all want a free and fair election?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm glad you brought that up, Botany.

What you're repeating is the result of dishonest men being dishonest:

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet...

The fallout from Obama's speech and Gore's speech are similar examples of what's wrong with American politics. Both men's words were twisted and taken out of context, given an entirely new meaning, then feed to the sheep.

If anyone's ever put words in your mouth that you didn't say, you might understand.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

:: "Al Gore and the Internet" (by Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf)

:: "Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development.

:: "No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among people in government and the university community. But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.

:: "Last year [1999] the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role.He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it is timely to offer our perspective. [continued...]"
http://www.interesting-people.org/arc...

Al Gore Honored in Internet Hall of Fame:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_16...

binky (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would take Obama's comment further--much to the chagrin of many people. Anybody who is successful is in the right place at the right time. They also have God-given talent.

Yes, people who are successful usually get there by working very hard, but it's God who gives them the talent, and when they brag of their own works, they mock God.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You guys need to loosen up a little. It was supposed to be a joke.

Botany (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 3:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

well it's not a joke that 51% of responders to this weird poll feel better off than 4 years ago (though 5% feel worse about it)! This thread mirrors the nation and this means obama wins it in a squeaker, though his Electoral College numbers will likely be robust. Abel, hope you're reading this. PS at least we got the Thorns to spread their bile elsewhere!

DrDan (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

I get it, Botany! A Goddamn laugh-riot!

Praise the Lord.

السلام عليكم

binky (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I thought Al Gore built the internet!"

He may have built it, but we made it better.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yeah, micro-serfs obeying our mighty cloud lords, masters of the ether, the tech-savvy scientific 1%...those whom Tea Partiers fear and thus despise...we made the internet BETTER?! how would that be...?

DrDan (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

With our (often free) content and ideas, we made the internet more than just a scientific or military device.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2012 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

blah blah blah blah.. this country isn't a 7-11 or a McDonalds drive thru...Jorge Bush's crap takes awhile to clean up.

bimboteskie (anonymous profile)
October 11, 2012 at 4:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bimboteskie,

Wait a minute, I thought the Bamster told us on numerous occasions if, "He couldn't get it done in 4 years kick him out"!! Now your telling me we need 4 more?? You lib's kill me....

Priceless (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2012 at 7:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"You lib's kill me..." @Priceless

Let me be the first to send my condolences.

Kingprawn (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2012 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Romney is a charlatan.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2012 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ex-Gov. Romney is a chameleon who changes with the wind...any good Republicans who loved him in Tampa should be dismayed how he contradicted most of what he righteously proclaimed six weeks ago there...now, he says, he will NOT lower taxes for the rich as one example. Now, he will save Medicare and Social Security by privatizing them. How can you believe these assertions?...you libertarians kill me.
Romney is a highly conflicted man, a fine speaker, a man who hides his religion, who will ban abortion if he can, who offers support to Netanyahu over attacking Iran, who wants to increase the military budget AND pay down the national debt AND balance the budge. I'm not sure he's a charlatan, Ken, but he is a Houdini and in the end...even his supporters do not really trust him.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2012 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Romney is a highly conflicted man, a fine speaker, a man who hides his religion, who will ban abortion if he can, who offers support to Netanyahu over attacking Iran, who wants to increase the military budget AND pay down the national debt AND balance the budge. I'm not sure he's a charlatan, Ken, but he is a Houdini and in the end...even his supporters do not really trust him." -DrDan-

In other words, he's a typical politician.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2012 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Romney is a Robot and Ryan is Pee Wee Herman.

bimboteskie (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2012 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has Obama ever held a real job? Not a political position.....a real job.....?
Romney is typical of what has made this country great...I'm not sure if he will solve our problems, but I do know that he doesn't cry like a little baby when he is opposed (can't say the same about Obama). Obama has a very thin skin, I don't think he was ever questioned in his life. When you run a real company and have to make real $$ decisions you have to be able to take opposition and turn it positive. When Obama is confronted, he goes back to same playbook....."war on the poor"....or even better "war on women"? what a joke.

susl07 (anonymous profile)
November 5, 2012 at 9:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sus107,

I guess being the Leader of the free world is not a "real job"
talk about crying, now you with your thick skin can go on crying for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!

rblacumbre (anonymous profile)
November 11, 2012 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"when you run a real company..." get real yourself! It's over: four more for O!

DrDan (anonymous profile)
November 11, 2012 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Elizabeth Warren 2016

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
November 11, 2012 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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