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Medical pot shops in town?

More the merrier. 33% 93 votes
A handful is perfect. 40% 112 votes
Close them all. 20% 57 votes
Black market works fine. 4% 12 votes
274 total votes

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Indy should add a 'who cares' answer to all polls.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2011 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Really, "who cares"!

miked442 (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2011 at 7:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

if you don't care, why post?

If overnight every liquor-store, bar and wholesale distributor of alcohol in The United States disappeared and a marijuana dispensary took it's place this country would be much better off: Roads would be safer, incidents of assault, spousal abuse, homelessness, missed time at work, sclerosis, fatal college hazings and countless other social phenomenon would taper-off and, in some cases, nearly cease to exist. Anyone who opposes the legalization of marijuana supports, by default, alcohol companies, pharmaceutical companies and the prison-industrial complex, the same three powers in this country that lobby against pot the strongest because they fear it will cut into their profits. Their greed and disregard for our health and safety is immoral. Do you want to clean up State Street, get rid of panhandlers and other homeless? Ask for a moratorium on alcohol sales in Santa Barbara and refuse to shop at any store that sells liquor. If you really care about this country and her people then you need to shed the ignorance and hypocricy that can accept the deaths and degradations of millions of our brothers and sisters at the hands of alcohol but reject and oppose the availability of a relatively harmless plant. In the end, those who oppose medical marijuana dispensaries fall into one of two categories: (1) the uninformed (2) those with conflicting agendas, thus, something to lose.

shibboleth (Wayne Gilbert Myers)
February 10, 2011 at 10:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've been buying my pot on De La Vina long before these pot dispenseries came around. About 10 years plus. It's much cheaper, always there, great customer service, excellent quality, no chemical fertilizers and no imports from down south. I'm fine with that. Whatever on all this medical stuff. I recently smoked out with an empolyee of a SB pot dispensery. She said about 2% or her clients actually need it for medical reasons. Signed, happy pot smoker for the last 25 years, and i've never harmed a fly. And sorry to all ye nay sayers, I do have a degree, a great job, and no criminal history.

Riceman (anonymous profile)
February 11, 2011 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wayne: if you think the hypocrisy is bad in Santa Barbara, you should see it up here in the Santa Ynez Valley. These people just LOVE the wine bars that have taken over yet the very mention of pot shops makes their flesh crawl.

Being neither a drinker nor a pot smoker I say that both should be legalized (as much as I hate alcohol) but that nobody should get behind the wheel under their influence.

Prohibition didn't work when the subject of it was alcohol, and it's not working with pot being illegal. I say re-legalize pot, and stop rewarding the booze culture with one bar after another, (encourage people to do that at home so they don't drive drunk) and things will improve.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
February 12, 2011 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For the pedantic types who love to critcize I realize my last post was poorly written and yes, I'm aware alcohol is already legal.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
February 12, 2011 at 7:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good for you Riceman. If I'm reading you right you are a strong example of a principle I've always recognized and relied upon: Restraint, Reflection and Simplicity will win the day. Practice those three disciplines in everything you do and you'll soon discover yourself paying less, getting more and enjoying what you have to the fullest, no matter what it is. With that in mind, I'd be the last person on earth to try wooing you away from a place where you get a good product for a fair price but hell, that only accounts for you, others may not have your resources. On top of that there are the police and the courts to consider and although you and I may have the gumption to go around the cops to get what we want not everyone does. Some people have an almost pathological regard for the law that precludes them purchasing something the authorities have labeled illegal, others are too meek or too disabled or too clueless to navigate their way through a street purchase. For those individuals a pot dispensary can be a life-saver. Now, as to your friend's estimate of her patients:

Shame on her. If she or her employer ever felt that a potential client wasn't right for them or didn't have a legitimate need they had the right to refuse service, didn't she know that? My God. Common-sense, when it can be found, would tell you that if you accept every potential client who walks through your doors brandishing a doctors recommendation very soon you will be serving Satan Himself. It's just that simple. You can't even blame the folks trying to cop weed, not really, people just love getting high and the idea of all that medicinal marijuana just sitting there on a dispensary shelf, all by itself, lonely...well, it's just more than some folks can take. So they go to a doctor and exaggerate an existing condition or, as is evidently the case with the majority of your friends clients, they lie. However, it all begins with a doctor and ends at the front desk of a dispensary and both of these entities have the luxury of choice. It sounds to me like people in positions of responsibility are making bad choices where your friend works and maybe your friend should quit, I mean, if the statistics bother her, 2% is pretty dismal.

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shibboleth (Wayne Gilbert Myers)
February 13, 2011 at 4:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

(conclusion)

The only dispensary I'm personally familiar with, Sacred Mountain, seems to operate a little differently. If I had to estimate I'd guess that 50% of the patients served there have legitimate issues (which makes me wonder if you didn't misunderstand your friend, are you sure she didn't say 20%?) and the rest are either exaggerating their conditions or they're adept at fooling the system. But whether they're inflating the truth or fabricating a story it amounts to lying and I can't defend that, won't even try to defend it. I will, however, defend the rights of the other half, the 50% who roll through the doors in wheelchairs or who hobble in on crutches or who suffer from wounds that go deeper than mere flesh, afflictions of the mind, afflictions of the emotions, afflictions of the spirit. The men and women who suffer from disabilities of this sort often suffer alone because their conditions are subtle and difficult to define but if they should discover that marijuana relieves their anxiety or offers them the solace of undisturbed sleep or if it just allows them to relax and enjoy an evening in front of the T.V set I think it only right that they should have it.

Anyway, Riceman, sorry if I went on-and-on but this is a big issue for me and the 2% statistic you mentioned kind of galled me, I really don't understand it. In my experience you could surround a dispensary with barbed-wire and machine-gun emplacements and hire a bunch of ruthless mercenaries to guard it against handicapped people and still, when it came time to compile statistics, you'd discover that more than 2% of your clients were still handicapped people. I'm baffled.

Oh, and Bill, Mr. Clauson, you have chosen the ultimate intoxicant, the bombest dope, the headiest brew available anywhere in the world: Sobriety. Good show. As for the Santa Ynez crowd and their inane likes and dislikes it just goes to show you, whether you have a BMW in your driveway or a John Deere tractor doesn't matter, a hick is a hick.

shibboleth (Wayne Gilbert Myers)
February 13, 2011 at 4:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

P.S. One of the Santa Ynez crowd told me that the fact (I don't know if it's a fact, but that's what she told me) that 50% of the people going into pot shops are under the age of 30 was a reason she didn't want them.

I don't know if that concern (as if it matters) is shared by others.

The only reason I mention my sobriety is only to point out that I have no vested interest for myself in this, not to wag my finger at anybody. I take no credit for sobriety, I simply don't like the taste of booze and am too afraid of not being in control to get into drugs and booze.

My suggestion to all of you who share my view about all this is to make sure when you argue with someone on this issue, to point out that pot was legal before 1937.

Either way, whether it's the S.Y. powers-that-be or the rulers of S.B., we have a lot of educating to do on this matter.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
February 13, 2011 at 5:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I was at this hearing. It was one-sided. Mr. Fourmy presented the board with 5 declarations from doctors, stating that the facility is a need asset to the community. But apparently the planning commission knows more about medical needs that physicians do. Mr. Fourmy also presented declaration after declaration from patients who rely on the clinic and who would otherwise have to use highly addictive and toxic medicines like Oxycontin and Vicodin. In addition, he presented the commission with declarations from all the neighboring businesses that with a unified voice, stated that they were good neighbors and never caused a problem. Unfortunately, our planning commission cares more about their perception of the rules, than the health and welfare of our community. Shame on you Michael Jordan and your cronies. Mr. Fourmy also brought over 80 patient signatures of patients who swear they received their medicine from the Compassion Center during the period when the commission says they were closed. He also brought a sworn declaration from the landlord that the Center was open. But the commission chose to call over 80 patients and the landlord LIARS and instead chose to believe their own inspector WHO COULDN'T EVEN VERIFY THAT THEY DID AN INSPECTION!!!! Frankly Michael Jordon, you don't represent the will of our community, and I don't know how you got elected in the first place. Impeach this ****

lukearcher (anonymous profile)
February 15, 2011 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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