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I am shocked, baffled, and outright angry after spending the past six months witnessing the Goleta City Council’s debacle with the Peterson family and the McDonald’s drive-through. This McDonald’s is owned and operated by a family with deep, deep roots in community-giving that wants to grow their business and spent $250,000 working with the city on this project.

I gave my full support to this project after hearing from experts that air quality would not be affected, traffic and parking would be improved, and pedestrian, handicapped, and bicycle travel would become safer because of the drive-through, crosswalk, sidewalk, and median that McDonald’s would pay for.

The Goleta City Council did not listen to the people of Goleta, who came in an overwhelming majority to support McDonald’s. The Goleta council did not listen to its own staff, design review board, or Planning Commission, which all favored the project. The council didn’t even vote for the alternative McDonald’s plan that it had asked for and helped design.

The council did, however, listen to the Goleta Coalition, a small but vocal group that feels it has the right to speak for all Goleta residents. The council also approved a massive Westar project with its drive-through pharmacy and are considering a new Taco Bell drive-through.

I urge all Goleta residents to attend a Goleta City Council meeting, check on the issues, and remember that at election time we need a council that listens to the majority and doesn’t alienate its allies.

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"Drive Thru View" needs a few clarifications:

False: "Goleta City Council did not listen to the people of Goleta, who came in an overwhelming majority to support McDonald’s"

True: The meeting was packed with paid McD and Caminio Real professionals or "experts", that do not live in Goleta, speaking on behalf of cramming a poorly designed drive thru to an already congested entrance.

True: A few from the Goodland Coalition did speak, but were out numbered by the paid speakers.

True: Locally owned McD has three (3) other locations without drive thru's in SB. Adding a drive thru to Storke McD will not make the local owners stop contributing to the local community.

True: Goleta City Council had many letters from local Goleta residents opposed to adding more traffic and a mis-guided drive thru at Camimo Real Mall.

True: Westar project has knocked down the old Bank of America building that had an existing multi-lane drive thru permit. This existing drive thru will be converted to a pharmacy drive thru, kind of like the one at Walgreens in Goleta.

True: Goleta City Council did not follow the pro-development Goleta City planning staff recommendation. Several of the new growing government planning staff are from Los Angeles/ Bay Area and have a tolerance for traffic and density the locals do not.

A Goleta and Haskell locals, who care about our quality of life, traffic, precious mountain views and open space, to come to these meetings, and help slow down the current City, staff and management. At current pace Goleta will be built out in less than 5 years.

Stopping McD drive thru was a small victory. Lets start from there and keep pushing back, way back, way back to Los Angeles and Orange County would be a good goal.

Dont_mess_with_Goleta (anonymous profile)
March 1, 2014 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am shocked baffled and angry that micky d's continues to poison the human populace with its garbage. Mmm, tasty.

spacey (anonymous profile)
March 2, 2014 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What am I missing? That part of Goleta is alread choking with traffic, I.V. is just around the corner, the McDonalds is located in an extremely busy shopping mall, and they are worried about a drive-thru?

What is the real agenda here? Is it people opposed to junk food? Is it people opposed to cars? Animal rights people?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
March 2, 2014 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What is the real agenda here? Is it people opposed to junk food? Is it people opposed to cars? Animal rights people?

billclausen

Animal rights is not an issue unless they start serving McDolphin sandwiches.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
March 2, 2014 at 10:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All the cars prevented from using a drive thru will continue to jam up that parking lot in spaces and hunting for one. It's a pretty hollow victory stopping this particular drive-thru.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
March 2, 2014 at 10:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Volokian wisdom from the planet of Volok. Also, think of the gas they will be emitting as they drive around, looking for spaces, stopping and starting, getting angry because they cannot find the spaces.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
March 2, 2014 at 10:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

so happy the G. Council stopped this ridiculous drive-thru... Ken, try a quick study of the tight and awful McD drive-thru at the Mesa Shopping Center: it's horrible and impedes an already nasty traffic situation.

DavyBrown (anonymous profile)
March 3, 2014 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We're free to design better drive thrus than pre-existing ones.
In addition, I don't find the drive thru on the Mesa at all a hassle. I'm thnakful those cars aren't competing for spaces! But regardless of one's opinion about that drive-thru; it's like saying because "Lone Ranger" was a bomb no more Westerns should be made.
Sorry Davy that's a lame example and excuse. The traffic at the Mesa shipping center isn't bad at all.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
March 3, 2014 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My take on the Marketplace drive-thru:

- New drive-thru's generate additional traffic (+ customers + profit).
- The additional traffic would complicate what is one of the worst intersections in Goleta.
- The traffic load will be increasing as more occupants inhabit the nearby Cabrillo Business Park.
- Goleta City staff was willing to put up with the additional traffic load.
- City Council was not.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
March 3, 2014 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well if the drive thru will mean that less parking spots are needed then why not take out some parking spaces and design the drive thru around that concept rather than reconstruct the entire shopping center and the near by intersection?

loonpt (anonymous profile)
March 3, 2014 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Love you EastBeach but that by far is the cushiest traffic situation in Goleta. The absolute worst traffic situation occurs on N. Fairview, specifically at Fairview and Calle Real. Worst in the the county.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
March 3, 2014 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bill, What your missing? Big money is spent on paid experts to say "no impact" by adding more traffic to Camino Real with a drive thru 12 car que. This is one small victory to show 3 of 5 on the Goleta City Council have guts. Real agenda is to slow down the rapid growth in west Goleta at least til all the major projects under construction are built and traffic is realized.

Ken, Many of the cars who must use a McD drive thru will go to Fairview or perhaps the Mesa McD and not be driving around the parking lot. BTW, the Mesa McD does not have IV & UCSB or 30,000 hi tech jobs so close, and probably need the drive thru just to be profitable.

East Beach: Good summary!

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Dont_mess_with_Goleta (anonymous profile)
March 3, 2014 at 8:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Most people who would use the Drive-Thru would NOT use the one at Fairview, and defnitely not the mesa McD, avbsolutely ludicrous as to be insulting or belying complete ignorance or hatred of the surrounding community and commuting UCSB students and staff.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
March 3, 2014 at 8:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am shocked, appalled and angry that anyone would think Goleta or anywhere on the planet needs another Mc Donald's.

VioletFlame (anonymous profile)
March 4, 2014 at 6:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

@KV, I agree Fairview is the worst intersection in Goleta. That's why I wrote Storke is "one of" the worst (second worst in my opinion).

I think traffic will be getting worse @Storke soon. FLIR Systems purchased the old Delco mfg buildings next to Kmart and will be relocating staff who currently use the Fairview and Los Carneros intersections. When the Cabrillo Business Park completes its later phases. more companies will also be moving in. Also, there's that large housing development being built across from the north side of the Marketplace shopping center.

Many of the Cabrillo tenants will have workers who commute to/from Goleta every day. It's no wonder the fast food restaurants are eager to build new drive-thrus @Storke.

With the new McD's located near San Marcos High School, David Peterson's fast food empire continues to expand despite the Storke drive-thru denial.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
March 4, 2014 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nice try, but no gets elected any more to Goleta City Council, so you get the council you elected.

John_Adams (anonymous profile)
March 7, 2014 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why so sensitive Mr Ken? If someone wants a McD burger or Kids Meals and choose not to park and walk inside the Camino Real McD they do have a choice to select the Fairview McD drive thru. If coming or going to the Mesa area they can choose that McD drive thru. With a mix of drive thrus and non drive thrus we all are free to choose in SB/Goleta. Some burger lovers prefer a McD without a drive thru where the people at the counter will help and focus on you and not be so distracted by the cars ordering via drive thru.

East Beach you state the facts pretty well!

Dont_mess_with_Goleta (anonymous profile)
March 9, 2014 at 9:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you call common sense being "sensitive" then I guess I am..! And still you ignore the needs of some vary large communities in that area: professionals, tons of service workers and the ucsb community. A drive-in wouldn't hurt anything, it just seems petty to be so against it.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
March 9, 2014 at 11:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)


I am shocked, appalled and angry that anyone would think Goleta or anywhere on the planet needs another Mc Donald's.

VioletFlame (anonymous profile)
March 4, 2014 at 6:26 a.m.

Violent flame, are you not concerned that our choices are being taken away because of do-gooder Nanny State types? Also, if people in I.V. only have to drive to the proposed drive-thru, wouldn't that save on gas/traffic impacts caused by driving to the already most crowded traffic area in the county?

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
March 10, 2014 at 5:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)


Why so sensitive Mr Ken?

Dont_mess_with_Goleta (anonymous profile)
March 9, 2014 at 9:41 p.m

Maybe he's a " '90's" man.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
March 10, 2014 at 5:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

One last thought, would any of you trust the Hamburgler around little kids? I mean, he just looks creepy.
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dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
March 10, 2014 at 5:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yup, blame it on the Hamburgler! That beast stole the drive thru at Camino Real Mall McD, but did not steal the one at Fairview or the one on the Mesa.

Is "Nanny State" a new more sensitive, common sense term, to describe a Nimby?

Fairview and Calle Real is likely the worst traffic at the moment, different than Fairview and Hollister where the McD drive thru is located. By next year Storke and Hollister will be the worst traffic spot when all the newly approved Goleta City projects are built, plus the new UCSB buildings at Fransisco Torres and more student housing is built on the old driving range at Storke and El Coleigo.

Nobody is taking the 90's man or his peers choice to enjoy a happy meal at McD drive thru or not. Bring back the hard working man !

Dont_mess_with_Goleta (anonymous profile)
March 10, 2014 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So why make it worse by jamming up parking lots with people who just want to grab a quick (albeit nutritionally dubious) meal?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
March 10, 2014 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Look here big boy, Ken is a New World Man. Also, we want McDonalds because Burger King is a threat to our way of life. If you don't beleive me, read this http://news.msn.com/us/burger-king-ba...

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
March 10, 2014 at 7:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is a song dedicated to all the New World Men all over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTqUMw...

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
March 10, 2014 at 7:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Personally I don't eat McDonald's; but I do like finding a parking space with minimal effort.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
March 10, 2014 at 7:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We hear they don't serve dolphins at McDonalds, that could be good...or bad.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
March 11, 2014 at 2:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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