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County Probation will seek a $200,000 state grant that would allow the department to examine potential racial and ethnic disparities in the area’s juvenile justice system. County agencies would study the data on those ages 10-17 who are referred to Probation and booked into Juvenile Hall; according to figures from 2013, African-American and Latino children enter Juvenile Hall at higher rates (relative to their populations) than their white peers. The money would cover trainings on recognizing implicit bias. Grant winners will be announced in September.

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Are these people who are backing this study *really* that ignorant?

I can save you $200,000 by telling you that poverty, broken homes, and low expectations are a breeding ground for crime.

Unbelievable.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 1:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is why we needed measure M.

Botany (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 7:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, they really are this ignorant. Why be less ignorant when people can continue to waste our collective tax monies?

nomoresanity (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To make this investment count, we'll want to tap the state treasury for 200 million dollars to retrain law enforcement to look at behavior alone, color-blindly. (They'll love it.) That will result in more arrests, as it did in New Jersey. Anyway, it would be a good start. Money is power only when we spend it. Va-roooom!

atomic_state (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW, in Spanish, ''disparate'' means loco.

atomic_state (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Blacks and Latinos commit a disproportionate amount of crime so we need a state grant to "educate" law enforcement to do what? Redouble their efforts to arrest whites? Ignore black and Hispanic crimes until it no longer appears disproportionate?

dewdly (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 12:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I want a study done to see if the $200,000 being spent is actually going to where they say it is going.

This should run about $500,000.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dewdly, that is at least partially if not wholly incorrect.

Non-violent drug crimes aren't even real crimes, but guess what? According to Republican Senator Rand Paul, even though minorities use drugs at about the same rate as whites, minorities are arrested at nearly 4 times the rate for drug crimes. That means there is in fact racial prejudice in the legal system.

As far as your statement in regards to whether minorities may steal more than white people, I would say that overall rich white people steal many times more from poor people through both legal and illegal means including our fraudulent monetary system. These are called white collar crimes and often they are not prosecuted and they are certainly not prosecuted on a level playing field with regular criminals.

Did you ever watch Dave Chappelle's skit on Corporate Cops where the cops go into corporate offices to arrest white collar criminals and treat them like they treat minorities on the popular television show COPS? Then they treat the minorities like they treat the white collar criminals. It's pretty funny.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Loon, look who you're talking to.. do you think he even knows motion pictures exist much less black people on an invention called television?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 4:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Per Dewdly's post: I'm sure the numbers will eventually square away. With all the paranoia about terrorism they'll be coming after all of us for our subversive news.

Imagine all the bloggers from The Independent in a free-for-all brawl in the prison yard.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 5:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Unfortunately, they're excluding the majority of the data: white kids, the ones most likely to have parents with government jobs or parents who are cops or prosecutors or judges or probation officers, or can afford a good attorney, aren't arrested for committing the same crimes as non-white kids, and aren't referred to probation and Juvenile Hall. The SB cabal protects its own.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

billclausen,

What will make the "numbers square away"? Educating law enforcement? Ending poverty? Ending illegitimacy and fatherlessness which is now over 70% among blacks? And Obama's program of bringing in fatherless, poor, "minors" will surely overwhelm law enforcement even if they try to look the other way and find some white kids to arrest.

dewdly (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 6:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

14noscams,

White kids are more likely to have fathers in the home. The presence of a father deters juvenile crime regardless of his occupation.

dewdly (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 6:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dewdly: My "numbers" post was a joke.

I happen to agree with your above post.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 6:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

loonpt,

The police don't send patrols out to arrest people for using drugs. Blacks are arrested for drugs at a higher rate because drug sales and use often accompany more serious criminal activity. I doubt very much that the $200,000 education will divert police to the local college campuses so they can arrest whites and Asians for drug use and thereby even up the numbers. It's more about venue than racial prejudice.

dewdly (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 7:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Stop your bickering. Unlike the remarkable numbers showing that we are expelling less kids because, well, we changed the rules for expulsion, this $200k can simply be used to figure out how to legally arrest more Caucasians.

nomoresanity (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dewdly - you didn't read my comment. I've witnessed the fact that white kids aren't arrested and/or the DA doesn't file charges against them for committing the same crimes as non-white kids.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wow, loon, dewdly, & 14...makin' my head spin! nomore gets it: "Stop your bickering"

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I prefer Loon and 14's eccentricities over Dewdly's ignorant, hateful bigotry any day.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dewdly - "Blacks are arrested for drugs at a higher rate because drug sales and use often accompany more serious criminal activity".
You're saying the fact that drug sales often accompany more serious criminal activity justifies discrimination against blacks in drug arrests?
How does that work?

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

14noscams,

Police do not send out patrols to arrest people for drug use or sales. If they did, they could meet their arrest quota in record time at the local college campus, but it would mean neglecting the more serious criminal activity.

Blacks commit a disproportionate number of violent crimes and because drug use and drug sales are integral to that criminal activity charging them for possession or sales is a no-brainer and often the only thing that allows the police to hold a suspect in a more serious crime. Such an arrest might not lead to more serious charges but a drug arrest on a college campus most assuredly would not.

The disproportionate number of blacks arrested for drugs mirrors the disproportionate number of blacks arrested for violent crime. We don't blame the violent crime arrests on racist cops and send them for sensitivity training.

dewdly (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do you care so much about what the police in our town do Dewdly, you don't even live here!

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ken,

I'm a taxpayer. I care how the local police spend money.

dewdly (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 5:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

But you don't live here in Santa Barbara. If you were a taxpayer here you'd know who the "denizens" are; or you're just a liar and perhaps really the moron I compared you to.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The county is seeking a state grant to "examine potential racial and ethnic disparities in the area's juvenile justice system". As I said, I am a taxpayer.

dewdly (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 6:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Of what county? Who's your district superviser?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 6:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The bottom line is that as the bloggers here argue, someone/some group of people are set to make $200,000.

Think of all the better ways that money could be spent.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They should split that $200,000 amongst us Indy bloggers with 1000 comments or more. Obviously we have all the answers.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 7:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

True, but as you know, there isn't any $$$ in answers,ir so they have to justify their boondoggle projects.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 7:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The $200K should go back to the taxpayers it was extorted from.

Botany (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 7:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dewdly: Sounds like stereotypical racial profiling.

Journal of Contemporary Criminal Justice 2007 23;276
Kelly Welch PhD Criminology, College of Criminology and Criminal
Justice, Florida State University

Black Criminal Stereotypes and Racial Profiling

"Urban black Americans have borne the brunt of the War on Drugs. They have been arrested, prosecuted, convicted, and imprisoned at increasing rates since the early 1980s, and grossly out of proportion to their numbers in the general population or among drug users. By every standard, the war has been harder on blacks than on whites. (p. 105)
National crime surveys indicate that most racial and ethnic groups consume illegal drugs at approximately similar rates (Katz, 2000). Specifically, Whites account for almost 75% of the nation’s illegal drug users, and Blacks account for about 13%, which is consistent with their representations in the greater U.S. population.
Blacks, however, account for about 75% of the nation’s drug prisoners, which reveals the extreme disparity manifest in the national crackdown on the drug problem (Katz, 2000)
The sale and use of crack cocaine, which is typically used by racial minorities, carried with it heavier criminal penalties than those associated with other illegal drugs such as powder cocaine, which has been used more often by Whites.
This has resulted in a highly disproportionate number of Blacks who have been criminalized because of their drug use (Austin & Irwin, 2001; Mauer, 1999; Miller, 1996; Reiman, 1998; Tonry, 1995).

The consumption of illicit drugs, therefore, may be a very specific racially
typified phenomenon. In addition to being illegal themselves, drugs are frequently related to other types of crime, such as robbery and assault.

This fact reinforces the association of Blacks with crime and crime with Blacks."

http://www.sagepub.com/gabbidonstudy/...

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 7:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Better yet Botany, into the schools and after school programs.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 7:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nice work Ken.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 7:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

14noscams,

The disproportionate number of violent crimes committed by blacks is not an artifact of racial profiling. It is blacks' very real association with violent crime that makes others - including police wary and watchful - even suspicious. This in turn makes arrest for drug crimes more likely but that isn't the fault of the police - the blame must be placed on the blacks whose violence has tarnished the image of all other blacks.

dewdly (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 2:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dewdly, yuk! your views on race resemble your sick views on LBGT.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 4:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And women.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DrDan,

It's not a "view", it's a statistic. Any identifiable group that commits a disproportionate number of violent crimes has to expect others notice and react.

dewdly (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's what else I've noticed: almost all the mass murders/shootings are committed by white males who share dewdly's belief systems.
Whereas the details of violent crimes by black males show most were committed in the course of a robbery or connected to some other mercantile (illicit or not) activity. But the white guys (like dewdly) were motivated by hate and/or mental illness.
Dost protest too much dewdly.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ken,

Most women are not feminists. Feminists are the enemies of women.

dewdly (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Correction: YOU are the enemy of women and all decent people.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ken,

What "belief system" do Elliot Rodger, James Holmes, Wade Michael Page, Nidal Malik Hasan, and Adam Lanza share?

dewdly (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ha dewdley, in many of your posts you were claiming that IV and Sandy Hook were false flag operations. Classic troll behavior.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 5:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Herschel Grynszpan,

I do believe they were false flag operations, but Ken apparently believes they are real examples of white hatred and suggests that I share a "belief system" with these "mass murderers". I'm waiting to hear.

dewdly (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dewdly have you noticed "everyone else is wrong but you're somehow right?"
What you share in the very least with those killers is mental illness. You're sick.
Stop blaming everyone else.
Black people aren't the problem.
Women/feminists aren't the problem.
Gay people aren't the problem.
Rand Paul and Hillary Clinton aren't the problem.
You are the problem. The problem is in your head.
Get help or don't, but quit making us babysit- it's not welcome here.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 6:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Again, the real issue is that $200,000 will be wasted.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 6:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)


Herschel Grynszpan,

I do believe they were false flag operations, but Ken apparently believes they are real examples of white hatred and suggests that I share a "belief system" with these "mass murderers". I'm waiting to hear.

dewdly (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 5:37 p.m

Since 9/11 was a false flag operation (as you will agree once you watch the very short video below) why couldn't I.V. and Sandy Hook be false flag operations?

Here is the proof, in about 1 minute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdWBjq...

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 6:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Agreed about the $200,000. Same as that nitwit study not so long ago to study the causes of homelessness, that money could've helped the homeless! This $200,000 could go into improving schools and afterschool activities which there are almost none left in SB!

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 6:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Even *I* see that. It is truly amazing how Santa Barbara, which is so abundant in wealth, is home to so much poverty, and how tragic how these entities throw around money which would be so much better spent.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ken,

If all the "problems" are in my head why are you discussing them?

dewdly (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@doody, it is Greenspan.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dewdly brays: " Feminists are the enemies of women." idiot troll, enuff. and you're not even a local so why do you comment about an SB County offer?

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2014 at 9:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DrDan, It is a state grant - that is to say, it is paid for by state taxpayers. I am a county resident.

Feminists are the enemies of women because the vast majority of women are or will be mothers. Mothers' "issues" are their children, not abortion and birth control. It is not in a woman's interest to make herself "safe" to be used for casual, sex by men who want sex without commitment.

dewdly (anonymous profile)
July 14, 2014 at 1:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Who's your superviser dewdly? Harriet Miller?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 14, 2014 at 2:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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