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Cal Poly Student Found Dead at Campus Point

Giselle Ayala, 18, Was Found Saturday Morning at UCSB After “Deltopia” Party in Isla Vista


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On Saturday morning around 8:20 a.m., after the annual “Deltopia” party weekend kicked off in Isla Vista, the body of a female was found near the surf line on the beach west of UCSB’s Campus Point by a jogger. On Sunday afternoon, the Santa Barbara Sheriff’s Department identified the 18-year-old as Giselle Ayala, a freshman Cal Poly student originally from Santa Rosa. She was last seen around 11 p.m. on Friday night, and her friends reported her missing by 7 p.m. on Saturday night. There is no other information being released about the death, and Sheriff’s deputies are continuing to investigate.

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cant be after Deltopia party if she died on Friday night / found Sat morning....Deltopia was Saturday afternoon

redeyelife (anonymous profile)
April 7, 2013 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Deltopia really started Thursday and it actually has been worse than Halloween.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 7, 2013 at 11:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How Terrible, I feel so sad for her family- they must be heartbroken that their beautiful young daughter came to SB for a fun weekend and is now gone from their life forever. It really doesn't matter what day Deltopia started; One young life is enough - SHUT IT DOWN NOW!!

CManSB (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 1:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Party started long before the designated time it was supposed to start..Heard the Beach was Breached Friday nite.

Byrd (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wasn't a young man paralized by a fall a couple of years back from the hill top? Yes, they started partying as soon as thursday evening with kids like this poor young lady coming into town.

BeachFan (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lol, CMAN, what exactly do you "shut down"?

They already shut down the beach access, which doesn't make any sense since state law proclaims that the beaches must be accessible to the public. You want them to send men with guns into private residences and shut down adults voluntarily associating with each other? Do you realize that you live in America, and this is supposed to be a free country?

People voluntarily move to Isla Vista and pay a premium on rent to live in a place where they can engage in these type of activities. People voluntarily come to town to engage in such activities.

Now, something VERY unfortunate has happened. We have NO idea how this poor girl died, whether she wondered off on her own intoxicated or who knows what else could have happened to her.

But guess what? People die on the freeway sometimes. Does that mean I should be able to send people with guns into your workplace and shut down your workplace and have the government confiscate everybody's cars because somebody died? Of course not. That's because the spirit of freedom of association is that you are allowed to engage in the activities you wish and others may engage in the activities they wish. As long as you don't hurt anybody. Deltopia didn't kill this girl, she made the decision to go and the person who is responsible for her death has yet to be determined.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Do you have any idea how much those kids in IV pay in property taxes?? If the trash collection companies wanted to charge IV residents extra and they didn't want to pay it then they would stop inviting people and having parties, but guess what? I'll bet they already pay more than their fair share in taxes and for trash services and on top of that they keep their garbage in their own neighborhood for the most part so maybe you should leave them alone.

I lived in IV for almost 4 years and it was the most memorable and enjoyable 4 years of my life. I partied, I studied, I graduated. I didn't get into any fights, I didn't litter, I didn't rape anybody, I didn't fall off any cliffs and neither did any of my friends. They wouldn't, and I wouldn't trade those 4 years for anything. And look at you. You're trying to take away that from future generations of kids who decide that is how they want to spend their four years at college. MOST of them don't do anything wrong nor does anything particularly bad happen to them.

Why don't you stop trying to tell other people how to live their lives? People ARE ENTITLED to voluntarily associate. That's what I see happening here.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In response to the above comment....yes, people are allowed to voluntarily associate as long as it doesn't involve things like thrashing our beaches, which is why law enforcement had to get involved and shut down beach access. And if more ridiculous stuff continues, more will have to be shut down. Makes sense doesn't it?

That is GREAT that you weren't one of the people who littered, disturbed the peace or used our public beaches for toilets, but unfortunately, some of your schoolmates did and because of THEIR behavior, all the kids who "don't do anything wrong" have to suffer the consequences. So assign blame where blame is due: YOUR schoolmates, not law enforcement.

The girls death is tragic beyond comprehension. I can't comment there, until we know the facts on why she died. But in the meantime, lets be just a tiny bit respectful and for a moment not feel the need to "protect the right to party."

csipper (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not sure when loonpt lived in IV for four years but I lived there for about seven years both during and after college. Like loonpt I partied, studied, graduated, etc., but the place had a much different vibe back then. Now, at least for some students, it's all about getting drunk and trashing the place.

Also, students, if they are renters, do not pay any property tax. That's paid by the owners, and many of the properties are owned by people who bought them prior to Prop. 13 taking effect, so the assessed valuation is very low and so are the property taxes.

discoboy (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

>>"Also, students, if they are renters, do not pay any property tax."<<

Of course they do. It's included in the rent, as is trash service. They just don't get any credit for it since they make out the check to a landlord instead of directly to the government.

eightdolphins (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It is a terrible, sad tragedy. Ms. Ayala did not deserve this, and I feel awful for the sadness and emptiness that her friends and family feel. My thoughts are with you.

And the tragedy happened during the weekend of the 37th annual juggling festival, which celebrates the life of Patty Laney, an IV resident who was murdered back in the 1970's. Patty Laney worked quite hard to raise consciousness about the safety of women in IV; two other women in IV had been murdered by the same serial killer before Patty.

It is all to easy to tut, tut, tut w/r to Isla Vista. In my experience the vast (like >99%) of the young people in IV are fun, helpful, and careful. Unfortunately, however, there are dangers... the bluffs themselves, the ocean, the badly engineered streets. Those dangers are here forever.

I hope there was no foul play involved with Ms. Ayala's death. Sadly, though, neither IV, nor Hope Ranch, nor Montecito, nor any other neighborhood around here is free from criminals.

pardallchewinggumspot (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

discoboy, 00-04', and I have spent time there in the last couple years. I think your perception is the same as others who have gone to school and IV and since returned. When you live there, all of your friends are there, so it isn't just about getting f'd up even though it kind of is. When you go back with an outside perspective, all you see is the getting f'd up and you don't see as much of the individual groups of friends, how their relationships aren't that much unlike yours and you don't see as much of the daytime activities..

Again, I have no problem with Marborg raising rates on residential areas that they have to spend more time and haul more stuff out. Maybe it will get a coalition of residents together to help keep things cleaner. I agree that outside residents shouldn't have to pay for what they do to their own community, IV should own it, but imo they already do with high costs and high taxes.

As eightdolphins pointed out, the cost of property tax is figured into rent amounts. Renters pay property tax indirectly.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually many people don't pay these inexorbitant rents to "party on" as Lon Pt suggests. In fact many of the people in IV this weekend came specifically from outside this area for Deltopia, these people don't care because it's not their home.

And you can argue all you want about people's right to party but when it starts infringing on other people's safety and rights then you have a problem which this weekend was.

Even when I was a student at UCSB I thought events like Deltopia were for the immature and the lost; expereince has only confirmed that. And Discoboy is right when he says it's beyond just partying, it's about destruction.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

csipp, I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you. I have no problem with people peeing in the ocean, I do it all the time when I go surfing, so do all other surfers. In a large group it will dissapate, not a big deal. Especially since it is going to be mostly water since everybody is drinking so much beer.

As far as trash, well, there was only ONE year of real floatopia, years ago, and apparently a bunch of volunteers picked up the trash and put it in a large pile and this very news organization, very irresponsibly I might add, placed a picture of all of the trash that people had helped to GATHER TOGETHER and insinuated that it was the trash that was LEFT there.

The next year, there was going to be a HUGE group of volunteers to help make sure the trash got picked up. The city could have very inexpensively placed a couple or so extra big dumpsters around the beach access areas to help volunteers have a place to put trash bags.

But no, instead they spent even MORE MONEY on enforcing security at the beach.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Leave people alone, they have different interests than you and they are enjoying THEIR interests in THEIR neck of the community.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We'll leave rampaging drunks alone when they stay inside and don't bother other people.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ken, people on Del Playa usually pay 700+/person to SHARE A ROOM (~$1400+/room) in a house of 4 or 5 small bedrooms with a tiny kitchen, one bathroom and a big living room in a run-down duplex or apartment type building SPECIFICALLY so they can have big parties and invite guests over and sleep on their couches. So that's exactly what they are paying for, and they are paying a lot. The people who come into town are generally invited by somebody in the community and almost always have a place to stay.

And when an individual infringes on your rights, you have every right to make sure that you and your person and property are protected. But what you don't realize is that tens of thousands of people just came into your community, and 99%+ followed the rules and didn't destroy anything. I think you also underestimate how many of the people who party in IV and 'destroy' things actually live in IV and the dorms.

And everybody is lost, why judge others? I've had friends who came up for Halloween and had a great time. I would have preferred a Deltopia in my day, though, personally.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually more like 80% could not control themselves much less "follow rules".

And every healthy individual I've know who's ever rented on DP was sorry they had done so!

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's rephrase the question, with the same amount of people would the problems be as serious or the same if alcohol were not involved? Very doubtful.
In the end it's less the people themselves than what they turn into after a few hundred drinks.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

loonpt - tell it to this girls parents, tell it to the people of Santa Rosa.
No excuses, No Deltopia - No Dead girl. I've already got and e-mail back from Janet Wolf and there will be action taken

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/...

CManSB (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In my memory over the past 25 years... several people have been killed by wrong-way drivers on the 101. But we don't ban driving on the 101.

A fair amount of violence on Lower State Street, with a number of deaths there too. We don't close all the bars and clubs there.

It is tragic what happened to Ms. Ayala, whatever happened to her, and I hope it was not criminal. Tragedies, sadly, happen in IV, just as they happen in Montecito, Hope Ranch, the Riviera, etc. I don't even know yet what really happened to Ms. Ayala; could have been an undiagnosed heart defect. Whatever happened it is a tragedy, but blaming it on Deltopia or IV is not yet appropriate.

Stopping Deltopia or public partying on any Friday or Saturday night won't stop the great majority of tragedies in IV. Patty Laney worked hard, and BTW, local law enforcement had that perp and let him go. Patty was abducted (local officials claimed she hitchhiked and got picked up; turned out the perp abducted her after she finished working at her job). He only got caught from a botched murder attempt in LA years later.

There have been lots of efforts, town meetings, candlelight vigils over the years to make IV safer. Deltopia might warrant more. The big issue is IV has not ever evolved the public institutions to handle the consequences of the natural attraction of its location and inhabitants. Tut, tut, tut-ing by Janet Wolf or any other outsider doesn't (and hasn't ever) make/made any difference.

pardallchewinggumspot (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The answer isn't Prohibition (aka Janet Wolf), it's an advertising culture and educational problem. You'll find the kids with the most repressed childhoods are among the hardest partiers.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

>>"loonpt - tell it to this girls parents, tell it to the people of Santa Rosa."<<

I'll do it. Do you happen to have their contact information?

eightdolphins (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I too lived in I.V. for a time. It was ABSOLUTELY AS BAD then as it is now.
Even decades ago when I lived there and enjoyed the debauchery I did not understand why law enforcement did not hit the streets en mass for open containers of alcohol in the possession of minors and using their legal ability to enter private residences under the auspice of noise, public intoxication, or serving alcohol without a permit. Italy generally frowns on public intoxication which is why this new-to-me IV culture was so fascinating and attractive since it was obvious that anything and everything was allowed. The attitudes about these events are weird to me; almost like the lunacy mass bike rides in San Francisco that used to shut down the financial district. The logic seemed to be that if enough people show up and create problems we will overwhelm the cops and then have a tacit license to break the law.

I'm with loonpt on this one...

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is the wonderful and heart-wrenching article on Giselle Ayala from the Santa Rosa press democrat, with a link a facebook comments on her passing. Needless to say it doesn't portray SB in a very favorable light. As a parent to read this was just heartbreaking. As far as prohibition not the answer, sorry too late that train left the station Saturday.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/...

CManSB (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh no!! Santa Rosa didn't portray Santa Barbara in a very favorable light!! I'm really upset..

You know what? I have over a half a dozen friends from Santa Rosa who moved to Santa Barbara specifically because it is a party town. You know what is going to happen now after this story? More of them are going to come here to party. Because they know that this is where the party is at.

Go ahead, CManSB, take the tryannical approach, spread it far and wide on the news. Let every college and upper-class high school student know this is the place to party at. When there is an additional 5,000 people here for next year's Deltopia, I'll know who to thank for that ;)

Which of course is just fine with me. Come one, come all. Because 99% of them are good people who won't do anything wrong and the rest they can figure out how to deal with on their own. It's their town, let them have it.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"...lalmost like the lunacy mass bike rides in San Francisco that used to shut down the financial district...."
italiansurg
April 8, 2013 at 2 p.m.

Same deal in Solvang; they have their bike races and the whole town has to shut down so a few people can benefit at the expense of others.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 6:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Deltopia reminds me of Pinocchio's trip to Pleasure island. ask all the people who had their homes broken into and burglarized, people attacked by drunks, people having to navigate the pools of vomit and broken glass not to mention all the other injuries and no doubt a few rapes. People might think making SB and or IV a party town might be good for business, but you also attract criminals looking for easy prey.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 7:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's the thing - while it's true that most people probably had a good time, there were severe consequences from this year's gathering. Not to mention many students don't understand that the high level of law enforcement to keep things in check costs a lot of $$. As soon as students start realizing that things need to change and some degree of planning/organization makes sense, that crop of students graduate and the new kids arrive. I say this as a former IV resident. I love IV.

Part of being 18 is not always thinking through the consequences of your actions. It's almost like there needs to be an Orientation session not just for UCSB, but for Isla Vista itself. It would be great to see a student led movement to make some changes to make things safe, affordable for our government, and fun.

And it's not just students. Why do we have a square mile of 20,000 + people and the area is not incorporated? That's an outrage.

star8650 (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 11:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Star,
IV isn't incorporated because they're afraid of the voters.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 12:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This debauchery is nothing to be proud of. Actions have consequences. I would expect a response from law enforcement next year to be on par with the yearly Halloween response - expensive but unfortunately made necessary not only by the behavior we're discussing, but also the scale of that behavior.

Believe me, italiansurg, a LOT of open container, noise ordinance, minor in possession, fake ID, etc., etc., citations are issued in IV every week, and a lot of people go to jail from IV every week. IV is a challenging place to work. In my experience the cops there are doing their best given the constraints they operate under.

LegendaryYeti (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 12:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Why do we have a square mile of 20,000 + people and the area is not incorporated?"

I remember when Goleta Cityhood was being proposed and nobody wanted to include IV. Those same old foggies complain about what a mess IV is but have no right because they had a chance to do something about it and didn't step up.

An interesting summary of factors that made IV what it is today:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Vis...

I wonder who those County Supervisors-for-sale from the 1960's were? Their names are probably on some brass plaques commemorating their fine public service.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 1:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

East Beach,

"Politicians, whores and bad architecture all become respectable with age."

- Noah Cross, "Chinatown"

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 1:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)


East Beach,

"Politicians, whores and bad architecture all become respectable with age."

- Noah Cross, "Chinatown"

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 1:05 a.m

Isn't "Politicians, whores" redundant?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 4:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I was not implying LY that the cops are to blame for this; sorry if I was unclear. In my past and recent experience with the I.V. patrols they are great; it's a matter of being out manned in numbers and for too many reasons that most of us seem to understand IV has been left a veritable mess for at least the decades that I have been here.
I heard on KEYT that they only issued 71 citations and had just under 30 arrests. Seriously? For a group of 15,000 drunks?
Finally, all of these kids show up to party and I do not blame them; I would be there if I was not so damn old. Some of them screw up more than others.
The risks are well known in IV but as previously acknowledged, 18-25 year olds in particular partake in risky behavior. This is a part of their/our DNA.

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 6:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Same deal in Solvang; they have their bike races and the whole town has to shut down so a few people can benefit at the expense of others.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
April 8, 2013 at 6:37 p.m."

Not sure how that relates to this discussion, but the Tour of California affects Solvang for 1 day out of the year (and not since 2011) and you may want to ask the local businesses how they did with tens of thousands of people in town for the race. That's not a "few".

cycleboy (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 8:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I was referring to Critical Mass in San Francisco and tolerating anarchy. That is how this relates to our tolerance of de facto anarchy in IV.
This has nothing to do with a permitted, well regulated event that is not a drain on the economy.

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When the points are calmly well made here, I can see that yes, I'm sure most of the students are well meaning, good people who just like to party. I don't want to lose sight of my younger days when I did stupid things. (I have kids now, and when you have kids, you can't help but see things in a bit of a different light.)

but loonpt, I must disagree again: they were not just peeing, they were defecating on the beaches. big difference. it's that kind of behavior that while perhaps not abnormal for drunk young partiers, it just can not be tolerated. nor climbing on fire engines which they did this year when the fire dept. was called. There HAS to be lines drawn for rude, unsafe behavior. I make my same point again, the people who do the stupid stuff ruin it for everyone. It sucks, yes. It's not abnormal behavior for young drunks, yes, but it's STILL NOT ACCEPTABLE.

csipper (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To much MTV for the future of our country. Very very sad for the girl and her family. Where were her friends?

bimboteskie (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm surprised this hasn't been more of a news story. If there isn't an official word yet on how the girl died, the Indy should at least be asking questions in other avenues. To reflect the many questions people have, as shown here. Do some reporting.

I'm not saying there needs to be any kind of crackdown on the party -- just that the mysterious death of a young college student in the context of an annual party (that has been controversial) begs a lot of questions. Healthier for everybody to start asking them, Indy.

Helena_Handbasket (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't imagine there was really mass defecation during the original floatopia with that many people around. I would think the enforcement by the dozen people 5 feet away would have been enough to encourage them to go up and find another place to do it. That said, I don't doubt it happened a few times, but I'm pretty sure it was a bit less than a whale poop in total all weekend so let's have some perspective.

But hey, why not put a few porta-potties up around the beach entrances along with those dumpsters? Why not allow a group of students to lead a fundraiser to pay for it all? Oh, because the first year was an ill-prepared semi-disaster because nobody had any idea how many people were going to show up and by the time everybody sobered up the media had already captured the carnage. So why not learn and improve on the situation? Why not give the students ONE chance to redeem themselves?

Instead look what happened, everybody is so butthurt about the man closing down their beach party that they decide to rage twice as hard up on the cliffs..

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Helena, I think we're all waiting with bated breath for any clue as to how this could have happened..

A turbulent ocean could have been a factor. To get an idea, I surfed a spot on Saturday morning that is only surfable a handful of times a year when the swells are coming in strong.

So the waves on Saturday morning were pretty big, there was a South and West combo swell coming in. South swells rarely affect IV beach but longer interval swells can get through the islands and will produce rare, larger waves that come in on occasion. Saturday morning the waves were very powerful, fast, fairly consistent out of the west. I imagine there were some decent currents running.

There was a LOW tide at 1:39am and a HIGH tide at 7:37am.

She could have gone for a drunken midnight swim and got knocked down by some bigger waves, or she could have fallen asleep on the beach and perhaps the tide came up on her while she was asleep. She could have gone down to the beach with a new acquaintance, male or female, or she could have gone down there by herself. Or any other number of things could have happened. Hopefully we will get more clues.

I don't want to throw too many out there but I thought since I did go to the beach Saturday morning in anticipation of some new swell I'd throw this information out there for everyone.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fecal coliform measurements imply that the substantive sources of feces entering our ocean originate in downtown Santa Barbara, where old leaky crosslinked sewers/stormdrains convey the poop right in front of our famed tourist attractions.

Floatopia 2009 caused not a single uptick in the extremely low fecal coliform levels measured between Campus Point and Sands.

Whether poop happened in 2009 is anybody's guess, but what is a hard fact is that no measured fecal coliform in the IV area resulted from it, unlike the neighborhood of Santa Barbara, where fecal coliform is ever present.

Another myth is that huge amounts of garbage went into the ocean in 2009. A huge cleanup effort took place, and some garbage did inevitably entered the ocean, but nothing, nothing, like the third-world conditions alleged by speculators and others who didn't actually get first-hand verification.

I can tell you, the beaches in the Netherlands (or even Socal) on a crowded day are far more dirty and trash strewn than IVs beach was after 2009 Floatopia.

IMO, the real issue at 2009 Floatopia was no lifeguards constantly watching for a downed/drowning person. We know beaches need lifeguards, when the crowd gets thick.

BTW, seems to me I saw Floatopias as early as 2005.

pardallchewinggumspot (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why the heck are so many of you throwing logical facts into this comment stream? It's time for some more knee jerk comments to keep it fun...

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't ask me, pardall, I wasn't there that year, I just remember the one in '09 I think when it got really big and they decided they would shut down the beach access the year after.

But you have to ask, if this is a daily occurrence every summer weekend in Newport Beach, CA:

http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1012/74...

Why can't IV have floatopia one weekend a year?

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Santa Rosa Press Democrat is reporting that the girl's family said she fell off a cliff. It could be the police told the family there are indications of that without releasing that info publicly. That doesn't take a massive street party to occur, for either an intoxicated or careless non-intoxicated student.

Helena_Handbasket (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If someone hired Orange County lifeguards for that one day,

http://www.usoceansafety.com/index.html

it could happen. And I've seen the public bathrooms down in OC... not a one on or near DP.

pardallchewinggumspot (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yup noozhawk is reporting that the Sheriff's Department says her injuries are consistent with a fall. Darn it all, a friggin' tragedy, she had a whole life to live. I'm so sorry for her family & friends.

Portions of the UCSB cliffs have fences, due to falls in the 1950's. But there are still gaps in IV. The biggest killer in IV is definitely the cliffs.

pardallchewinggumspot (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In fact, the Press-Democrat is reporting that she disappeared immediately after deputies broke up a party.

Seems to me like some alcohol + the panic of evading the deputies might have led to her heading toward the cliff. Who knows what happened in the chaos. Her friends looked for her but couldn't find her... being from outside of IV, the idea that she accidentally fell from the cliff would not have occurred to her friends. Gosh this is tragic.

It is imaginable that some other party goer was aware, at some level, that she went down but did not come back. But who knows, it was dark, late, and not everyone would begin to imagine the danger.

pardallchewinggumspot (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 4:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets face it kids want to party have reckless sex, drink alcohol, because the world is bankrupt when it comes to morality the parents don't have it and neither do they, each generation worse then the last. And if your child isn't corrupt it's because the parents worked very hard in inculcating positive values, and the children have to work hard staying separate from most of the corrupt individuals out there. Tough situation nowadays because your head isn't on right when your younger, and you just want to reach out and explain what's right, but who listened, who really listened and obeyed sound advice when they were younger? When you get older then it all makes sense but sometimes that's too late.

Happy (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 6:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The combination of alcohol and cliffs is a dangerous one. Given that the kids are not about to stop drinking, maybe they ought to raise funds to erect fences all along the IV cliffs.

blackpoodles (anonymous profile)
April 9, 2013 at 9:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, thank you pardall, once again.

So we see an 18 year old from out of town disappear when cops show up at a party with alcohol and have reason to believe that it is possible that she fell off the cliffs due to evading men with guns in government costumes who she thought might take her to a cage.

Sounds like most of you could be wrong and we really need is to get the cops off of people's property unless there is a complaint from the property owner.

Leave the kids in IV alone.

And no, Happy, kids aren't partying harder now than they were a generation or two ago. Did you completely miss the late 70s/early 80s??

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 10, 2013 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok. Lot's of comments on "well, just bring out some extra porta potties......bring in some lifeguards......." How's this for plain and simple....."Who PAYS???" Port a potties are one per hundred users. Lifeguards for this situation would be a nightmare. How do they keep there eyes on a floating mass of drunk students and who would really pay attention to anything they had to say? The extra cops that the County taxpayers from Cuyama to Carpinteria pay for. As for lifeguard towers, how do you get them down there? Anyone remember the high tide line there? Geez folks, think.

BeachFan (anonymous profile)
April 10, 2013 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I would like to know where they get all the party money, when I was in school, paid for it myself, I didn't have and money to party, maybe the trillion dollar student loan bubble is paying for it, that's the taxpayers paying for the party, no?

howgreenwasmyvalley (anonymous profile)
April 10, 2013 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's really astonishing to read nonIV residents argue in favor of an event that at best trashes the community, but it's easy when you don't actually live in IV and can just go home and not deal with all wreckage isn't it LoonPt? (and how would you know what people were partying with in the 80s and 90s?)

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 10, 2013 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually what the Press Democrat reported is that Cat Ayala of Santa Rosa, Ayala's mother, said detectives had indicated her daughter had been at a party Friday night with friends and that they had split off at about 11 p.m. when Ayala said she had to go to the bathroom. So there is no evidence of panic and falling over a cliff. Yes, let's leave the kids alone so we can have more sexual assaults, alcohol related accidents, 911 calls, etc., so more tax dollars can go to support their "right" to party.

discoboy (anonymous profile)
April 10, 2013 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not arguing in favor of an event, I'm arguing in favor of what the people in the community want, which CLEARLY is the event. Even if nobody came into town it would still happen because there are nearly 23,000 students living in less than a square mile of each other. What do you think that will result in? A college partying utopia that doesn't exist very many places in the world, if ANY. Again, let them have it, it's theirs.

This poor girl died, very likely because of a police crack down on a non-violent gathering of individuals on private property. The irony that people were using this event to soapbox their dislike of Deltopia should be soaking in by now.

And if you want to educate college students about how drinking isn't fun, best of luck, but I would suggest a more realistic venture.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 10, 2013 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's clear up some misconceptions:

"Cat Ayala of Santa Rosa, Ayala's mother, said detectives had indicated her daughter had been at a party Friday night with friends. They'd split off at about 11 p.m. when Ayala said she had to go to the bathroom.

Officers had begun to break up gatherings, people were scattering and Ayala had probably fallen off the cliff, the family was told."

So she went off to go to the bathroom, possibly NOT inside of a house but perhaps near the cliffs or on the balcony of an adjacent property. Then the cops came to break up the parties. So now we have the possibility that she was not only scared of being arrested for being drunk, but in addition receiving a urinating in public ticket which can potentially come with a lifetime sex offender charge, so I've heard.

Stop bullying the students IVFP.

If they want to patrol the streets and look for rapists, fine, but when they start invading people's residences for no reason then I am not ok with that.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 10, 2013 at 11:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You're deluded if you think people in the community "want the event" LoonPt. Thousands of others who live outside the community (such as yourself) want the events. Maybe a thousand or so actual residents want the event but the majority do not. How do I know? I live here. Let's invite thousands of people to your house next weekend.

You say "Let them have it, it's their's' but the "right to excessive alcohol consumption" stops when I or others have to deal with the wreckage. And if it's "their's" it should mean local students only for starters .
LoonPt, are you gonna be 40yo cruising DP? 30 plus is already pushing it.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 10, 2013 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ken stop being ridiculous, I've never attended deltopia or floatopia and the only reason I go to IV these days is when I go with my younger girlfriend who happens to have friends who live there. So I really have no personal motivation ensure these students get to party except that I am generally for personal liberty and voluntary associations.

Of course I'm against the damage, I saw pictures of some damaged cars and things on facebook, it is unfortunate that <1% of the people can't control themselves and I am not against having some police presence for those types of situations.

I will tell you that a lot more than a thousand IV residents want Deltopia. Do you know how many people I knew when i was in college who "didn't want" Halloween? Zero. Out of, what, dozens if not a hundred or so people? Almost all of my friends lived on DP at one time or another and the rest lived on Sabado Tarde. Nobody regretted living there and I had very reasonable people as friends.

I imagine deltopia is superior to halloween in the minds of current student residents in IV, so the people against the event really are just a vocal minority who probably shouldn't have chosen to live in IV.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 10, 2013 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As someone who has had IV as part of their lives before, during and after UCSB- it was NEVER this bad but people have their fantasies and paranoias that equate destructive, excessive intoxication in public with a civil liberty but I guess it makes them feel "cool".
People who live in IV have a greater right than those who don't. You clean up the mess then you can have a say.
And if you didn't attend quit stating your fantasies of the event as if they were some facts because it just makes you look nuttier. You have a lot of "I imagine" and very little actuality in your arguments, as usual.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 10, 2013 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When did I ever say being destructive is a civil liberty?

Again, I still go to IV here and there, I've seen enough facebook slideshows of deltopia and floatopia to have a good idea of what goes on and guess what has changed since I went to school there? YOU CAN'T SERVE ALCOHOL AT PARTIES. That's what has changed. What did that cause? It causes people to drink more before they go out and to use other illicit substances.

In my day, you went to parties to drink a keg or take some shots, so you had a couple drinks before you went out with your friends. It was called pre-partying. Except now, pre-partying entails you have to take 10 shots before you go out because there isn't any alcohol available at parties!

And you wonder why things have gotten "worse"?

That's called an Authoritarian backfire.

Freedom is the solution.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 10, 2013 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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