Greka Spills Near Santa Maria

seriously?!!
Indy - can you add some categories to the "Best Of" .... best polluters
best consistent headliners
best at shirking responsibility

How many spills is it now?

Here we go again... :) henry

it's ok. the board has approved a set of guidelines and procedures to be drafted...it's all taken care of now. Soon (2025) a procedure will be in place and all that will be missing will be an enforcement mechanism.

GREKA are cheap ***tards that just want an easy buck. Maybe they think it's cheaper to settle the lawsuit than buy modern rigs and keep them up to date. Maybe it's time for them to move on and let someone responsible take over their operation. Shut 'em down and gitter done.

There's no way they would let this many spills happen when they know they're under the microscope. This must be sabotage.

Ok bloggers...its not processed water...its PRODUCED water. Also for the last 150 years or so we have used barrels (42 US gallons) as the preferred unit of oilfield liquid measurement. We dont use gallons. Hokay?

So if you wish to weight in on Greka oilfield practices and sound like you have a clue...may I suggest brushing up on rudimentary oilfield terms?

Take a deep breath, and then divide by 42.

Wow, the usual Greka cheering section is getting pretty weak. Here's your first clue .... No one cares if the terminology is "processed" or "produced". What they care about is that oil not wind up on the ground. And the Greka shills always claim sabotage, though there is never ANY evidence of anything more than shoddy equipment and gross incompetence by Greka.

As to the number of gallons in a barrel, well, you guys divide over a half million gallons of oil spilled by Greka into 42 and convice us that Greka and it's management are not total f**k-ups. When are you going to either pay clean up costs or otherwise go out of business? "Nuffalready", what an appropriate yet ironic moniker for a Greka mouthpiece!

I think everyone reading this should call the EPA and pressure them to start collecting the fines owed to the US taxpayer for cleanup costs. Otherwise, Greka will stiff the US Government in Bankrutpcy court just like it did with Unocal.

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Lot of emotion there Mussel. Assuming the response agencies have figured out how to recoup their costs...what is the actual harm of a cleaned up spill?

Question to bloggers: If anybody (like moi) finds all of this eco-melodrama silly and uninformed...he has to be a Greka shill right?

I keep asking and get no answer. The earth spills far more than Greka. Shouldnt we at least cancel Earth Day?

Maybe OJ Simpson can look for the real killers... er, saboteurs, of the Greka pipes, valves, and tanks?

Elections have consequences.
The County Board needs to end this once and for all.

"Nuffalready", the only emotion you are witnessing is outrage at a sloppy company that continues to make lame excuses for an outrageous pattern of spills. And YOU personally and repeatedly emerge as the sole defender of Greka, immediately on top of every Greka article in the Independent, with your own 'spin' on what happened. What is your interest? You always allege, with no basis whatsoever, that the repeated spills are someone else's fault and do no real harm at all. The public is wrong, the state and federal government agencies are wrong, the press is wrong and you are right... it's all an "eco-melodrama"... is that it?

What do you mean "assuming the response agencies have figured out how to recoup their costs..." That's quite an assumption given Greka has a history of stiffing just about everyone it does business with. How are the agencies going to recoup their costs when they have to get in line at the Bankruptcy Court behind numerous Saba investors and independent contractors with claims against Greka?

And you question why I call you a shill? Tell us now that you do not work for Greka, are not related to anyone that does, and you have no financial interest in Greka. Tell me that and I'll belive you. Or I'll out you because I beleive I know who you are. As for me, you know exactly who I am.

In fact, click on the name "nuffalready" in any post above and you will see 27 posts spanning well over one year which comment on abolutely no other topic but Greka. He has defended Greka from his very first post.

Over a year ago he claimed "I'm not a Greka employee and I'm not defending bad oilfield practice." Yet his later posts clearly reveal inside knowlege of Greka's operations. All 27 posts defend Greka's bad oilfield practice. So tell us who you are.

I have no idea who you are Mussel. Havent given it much thought. I suppose I should be flattered that you take such an interest in me however.

I have never said Grekas spills are someone elses fault, nor have I ever defended bad oilfield practice.

I like Greka blogs because I am trying to get at least one eco-type to make sense. Maybe that could be you.

We know Nature has a far worse spill record than Greka, and Nature doesnt clean up. If man-caused spills are so bad...and threaten life as we know it...why are natural spills OK?

Your oft repeated defense of Greka is solely based in your comparison between Greka and nature. Your logic seems to be that if 100 barrels a day of natural oil seepage occurs in nature, it's just fine for Greka to dump a half million gallons on the ground over a decade. The law is there for Greka and every other oil driller to obey. If you have a problem with the law or the logic behind it, why not take it up with the California Legislature instead of defending Greka within ten minutes of every mention of Greka in The Independent? What if every one of the hundreds of oil drillers in California dumped oil on the ground at the rate Greka does? Would that be just fine with you because oil seepage occurs in nature?

By your logic, if a hospital infected patients with deadly illnesses due to illegal unsanitary procedures at a rate over 100 times other local hospitals, then it would be fine with you because, hey, nature kills far more people, right? The answer to your question, "why are natural spills OK?" is simply that spills in nature are not preventable and man made ones are. No one ever said that these spills "threaten life as we know it" as you claim.

If you feel the way you do, why not just stop paying for trash service and dump your trashcan into the street, or better yet, the Pacific Ocean. After all, the fish probably won't die from you doing that and surely more pollution occurs naturally. Why have smog emissions laws on cars, when cows produce more CO2 gas than the cars? Why should there be construction standards so that inhabited dwellings don't burn or collapse. After all, earthquakes, fires and other natural disasters occur naturally. Why don't I just come over an pee in your pool?

Are you getting the point here? Probably not.

I would love to pee in nuffalready's pool. Better yet, his hot tub.

*Runs to the store to get a couple gallons of water*

Loonpt: I think it would play better on this board to run to the store over 50 times in last 10 years and get 500,000 gallons of toxic processed water...and dump it into my hot tub.

Mussel: You have passion. I'll give ya that. I asked a simple question. You talked all around it, talked about how stupid I am, and threatened to pee in my pool. But you didnt answer the question.

I'll try it again. This is important that you answer precisely, leaving emotion (and me) out of it. Shutting down a business is serious stuff. You dont rush in and do something like that because you are outraged or because you think they screw up too much. What if you are sued?

Heres the question again: What actual harm has resulted from Grekas spills?

Its best to practice your answer on me. You'll need facts, and not passion. Your ducks will need to be in a row.