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    J'Amy Brown

    Smoke from the Zaca Fire on Tuesday, August 14.


    Chief Kevin Wallace Talks Zaca Fire

    Update on Wildfire and Introducing the New Community Cop


    Thursday, August 16, 2007
    By J'Amy Brown (Contact)
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    One week ago, nearly 500 Montecito residents swarmed El Montecito Presbyterian Church to attend an emergency meeting about the Zaca Fire. A week later the fire continues to burn, charring more than 100,000 acres to date and continuing, even today, to create plumes of smoke behind Montecito. To get current, Montage spent some time today with Montecito Fire Protection District Chief Kevin Wallace.

    Chief Wallace, it has been a week since the Montecito Fire District held one of the largest town hall meetings in the history of Montecito. Your goal was to prepare the community for emergency action should the Zaca Fire come toward the community. It seems the fire has turned to the north. Is Montecito out of danger?

    Chief Kevin Wallace: I would say we need to stay vigilant today and tomorrow because of the triple digit hot weather and the dry humidity. After tomorrow [Wednesday August 15], because of some of the good news we have had this week about the fire being turned away from us and heading north, if things continue going that direction, I would say we will be out of it.

    J'Amy Brown

    MFD Chief Kevin Wallace

    Why don’t they just load DC 10 and put this thing out?

    I worked on the Malibu fire and saw them pull ocean water out for Malibu, but water drops are not the final solution, especially for a fire in terrain like this. Drops do not work in broken topography like we have in the Santa Barbara backcountry. For a drop to be effective, you need a long straight ridge you can paint. East Camino Cielo is a perfect example of where that strategy would work.

    No one thing can solve this problem. It is a long and difficult process. You put retardant down ahead of the fire to slow it down, but it takes actual firefighters to dig the containment lines that stop the fire. It takes four hours just to get firefighters to some of the fire lines. The firefighters are living out there, so they won’t have to make an eight-hour daily round trip back and forth. They really are doing everything they can but the wilderness has made it hard.

    What are these huge plumes of smoke today I've seen right behind Montecito. They look like thunderheads and they look very close. Shouldn’t I be alarmed?

    There are two reasons for the large plumes today behind Montecito. There are some islands closer to Montecito that have burned off and, secondly, the perspective can be difficult. On a clear dry day, even if the smoke plume is 20 miles away, it can look very near. The plumes, by the way, are caused by columns of warm smoke pushing through the inversion layer. When it does, it hits the colder air, ices up, and turns white, like a thundercloud. The fire is trying to get breath and that is the exhaust going through the top—it exhales and breathes in and exhales again and then after creating the plume and getting breath, it falls back down.

    How should we in Montecito be preparing at this point? Is it OK to resume our normal lives now and leave our homes for out-of-town vacations or business needs?

    I think if we get through Wednesday, it would be okay to go out of town. However, if the fire crosses the Don Victor Jeepway or the Hildrith Jeepway, then we could be back to the bigger burnout plan near the Santa Ynez River behind Montecito. If that happens, there will be more smoke and ash in Montecito. So for the next few days people need to remain vigilant and pay attention to public information.

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    Kelley Close

    What is a burnout? It sounds illogical to create even more fire.

    In a burnout, firefighters set a fire from a containment line and they let the fire burn back into the main fire. In certain incidents it is a very good idea. You have a lot of water and personnel to watch the fire and manage it, but any fire on the ground is uncontrolled and you do have challenges.

    At this point the strategy of working direct on the existing fire line is the best and safest strategy, if you can reach the line. And by the way, if they do a burnout, they don’t just nuke the whole area. They burn a part at a time. It is done in pieces but you do sacrifice a lot of the forest to do it.

    You were talking about the spread of public information. In the last week the Montecito Fire District has set up an awesome program of public information and outreach. You have a staffed information kiosk at the village green that always seems crowded; you are sending Zaca Fire update emails daily and you are now officially the "Voice of Montecito" with our first local radio station, AM 1370. Do you feel the public is getting the message and do you think that supplying all this information has eased fears?

    That was our intent: to let the public understand what is going on. The volume of calls to the fire station has dropped, so I think people are getting our message and feeling more reassured that Montecito residents have several emergency information resources, offering factual and timely information.

    Live Oak Incident Commander Bill Molumby and former Montecito Fire Chief Herb McElwee
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    Live Oak Incident Commander Bill Molumby and former Montecito Fire Chief Herb McElwee

    I believe I saw former Montecito Fire Chief Herb McElwee alongside Zaca Fire Incident Commander Bill Molumby. Is Chief McElwee helping at Live Oak Camp with the top command?

    Yes, Montecito Fire Protection District’s former Chief, Herb McElwee, is the command staff liaison. The liaison helps the incident commander interact with local agencies and Herb has such extensive experience in Santa Barbara County that he has been tasked with that job.

    Is anyone else from Montecito Fire actively involved in on the front lines?

    Yes, former Chief Ron McClain is serving as the Public Information Officer at Live Oak Camp and Curtis Vincent is working with Public Information Center in Goleta. We have also sent one engine with four people to the Paradise Canyon area and MERRAG has volunteers on various public safety assignments for the Sheriff.

    As of this morning, this fire had burned 101,472 acres. Is this the largest fire in California history?

    Not at this point. I can think of other fires that were bigger. The Cedar Fire, Day Fire, and Matilija, the McNally and Wheeler fires were all bigger. However, if the anticipated containment lines were reached, Zaca could come close to being one of the largest fires in California history.

    Dan Kleinman speaks to a packed house of Montecitans concerned about the Zaca Fire.
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    Dan Kleinman speaks to a packed house of Montecitans concerned about the Zaca Fire.

    Is there anything else we should know right now? Have you learned anything from this experience that you'd like to share?

    The emergency training — for safety personnel and citizens — has been very valuable learning experience and will last us years and years. Locally we have learned we need more hazard abatement in the hills above Montecito and the community needs to work on this. Also I think the public has become more aware of where to go for information.

    Chief Wallace, for the hundreds and hundreds of citizens who have told me how much they appreciate your response to this emergency, may I pass on a collective community thank you and, for the moment, a tiny sigh of relief.

    Thank you.

    Thank YOU!

    WE TRY HARDER: Deputy Tom Green has been selected to replace Isaiah Tchobanoff as Montecito’s Community Resource Deputy. Green has been with Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department for over three years, and prior to his law enforcement career he was employed in the private sector in customer service.

    Deputy Tom Green
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    Deputy Tom Green

    “Senior Deputy Green was in customer service in the rental car business and restaurant management. Seeing his interaction and problem resolution skills, we expect him to excel as a community resource deputy,” said Lt. Darin Fotheringham, Green’s commanding officer.

    The Community Resource Deputy program began in Montecito in September 2005. Green will serve the unincorporated coastal area of southern Santa Barbara, including both Montecito and Summerland. Several cities that contract Sheriff’s Department services also have Community Resource Deputies, including Carpinteria, Solvang, Buellton, and, soon, Goleta.

    “It expands our community policing effort and that is good. We’ve been able to interact with different groups, help with disaster preparedness, and do outreach in the schools and in the community,” Fotheringham said. Deputy Tchobanoff, who was extremely popular in Montecito due to his helpful approach and good-natured personality, has been transferred to Isla Vista and promoted to the supervisor-senior deputy.

    Deputy Green said he looks forward to his new post. “What I would like to do is bring my people-skills to various sector of law enforcement—a more human side of the badge. I want to be approachable and meet the needs of the community,” he said. Green will hold office hours at Montecito Hall, 1465 East Valley Road, every Wednesday from 1 to 3 p.m., and by appointment. Call 684-5405 ext. 436.

    CARUSO CAME TO TOWN: Rick Caruso, new owner of the Miramar, was scheduled to make a presentation to the Board of Director of the Montecito Association at 4 p.m. on Tuesday August 14. Association president Bill Palladini said the board sees the visit as a courtesy review so MA members can get to know the project. The board will take no action, as Caruso’s Miramar plans are not yet complete.

    The vandalized lock on the Sycamore Canyon gate.
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    J'Amy Brown

    The vandalized lock on the Sycamore Canyon gate.

    RED FLAG OPENS 144 GATE: The gate at the lower end of Sycamore Canyon, uniting Montecito with Santa Barbara, has been open both Monday and Tuesday due to a red flag alert. Last week, the lock on the gate was cut and the gate was illegally opened. Caltrans replaced the lock and no suspect has been identified in the vandalism case. Don Miller, who has become known for using a chainsaw to remove brush along the Caltrans route, denied cutting the lock. “I did not cut the lock. I wouldn’t do that but I am glad it is open today” he told Montage.

    FRIDAY PHOTO MONTAGE: Even though there has been a serious emergency situation this week due the Zaca Fire, Montage has attended some interesting events and we want to report on them. Check this space Friday for a photo-montage of interesting people and places we’ve visited, including a breakfast with Lois Capps, a book signing where we saw Naomi Schwartz, and a Montecito cooking class with a private chef! As usual, if you want to know what’s cooking, keep tuned to Montage!

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    A most interesting interview -- living out of town, it has been difficult to obtain good information about this fire -- I have really appreciated the work of the SB Independent!

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    slmret (anonymous profile)
    August 14, 2007 at 9:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

    Thanks for the info specific to Montecito -- and for explaining the huge plumes of smoke!

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    Bingo (anonymous profile)
    August 15, 2007 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

    This morning I received this more detailed explaination of why "drops" don't work from Geri Simmons Ventura at Montecito Fire:

    " In the case of the current ZACA fire, there are areas that haven't burned in our recorded history, this is well over 100 years.

    Fires that occur in conditions like these burn with power and often have flame lengths up to 200 or 300 feet. With fire behavior like this, we are unable to put firefighters in front of it. Firefighters, hand crews and dozers can only be put in after you've removed some of the heat from it; this is done with (air) tankers and helicopters.

    There have been many comments made by those who are not familiar with fire behavior and firefighting that believe this wildland fire can be put out with a few water drops and retardant dropped by helicopters and air tankers.

    It is a mistake to make this assumption.

    Aircraft only helps to slow the fire and cool it, but can't extinguish it. The bright red retardant - a phosphorus-based compound commonly known as Phos-Chek, does not stop the fire, but it can slow it down. Fires of this nature can only be stopped by removing the fuel in its path. This is typically done by hand crews and dozers. We refer to the successful removal of fuels and vegetation as a “black line” or containment line when it is wide enough to stop the fire’s progression.

    Fire retardant is dropped from heights of up to 300 feet by helicopters, air tankers or the newest tool in air resourced, the DC-10. Helicopters, depending on their size, can carry up to 800 gallons of water or retardant per load. Air tankers can be loaded with up to 2,500 gallons of retardant per flight, and the The DC-10 can hold up to 12,000 gallons of retardant.

    Their drops are not directed at the flames themselves, but the area in front of the flames or where crews are working to remove fuel/vegetation to create a containment line. The bright coloring of the retardant lets the pilots know where there drops landed.

    The retardant adheres to the vegetation as it falls, making it more fire-resistant. This doesn’t always work when the heat from a fire is too extreme.

    Water drops from helicopters are made on the leading edge of the fire, specifically to remove the heat from the flames and absorb its energy. The water does evaporate from the heat, but in doing so, it dissipates some of the energy from the fire.

    A steady stream of air resources on a fire line can be an effective way to slow the fire enough to safely put firefighters, hand crews and dozers in to make effective fire containment lines, thus stopping the fire from moving forward."

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    JAMY (J'Amy Brown)
    August 15, 2007 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

    It's also true that while the main tool of wilderness firefighters is cutting and clearing brush, a drop of retardant can "extend" the effectiveness of the cleared fire line by reducing the extreme behavior of the approaching fire, slowing it down and reducing the intensity of the fire and flames. If the wind is strong and the brush burns up-canyon toward a ridge-top fire line, the flames can jump and hot embers can be lofted over the line into the next canyon. Reducing the intensity of the fire before it hits the line can make the difference in holding the line.
    Also, I can imagine that back-burning can use retardant and water drops to "corral" the fire into a chosen direction that is most effective in stopping or changing the direction of the main fire.
    I see these drops as excellent tools to aid the firefighters on the ground.
    And the pilots: what a tough job! Huge courage and skill to get in to a hot area and out safely, while still dropping on target. If you haven't seen the drop videos, go over to YouTube and type in Zaca fire and watch the footage of water and retardant drops. Wow.

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    marksb (anonymous profile)
    August 15, 2007 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

    The insistence by some people that water drops can put out huge wildfires is much like the insistence by some people that global warming is caused by sunspots or that the theory of evolution doesn't explain biodiversity. It's the immense arrogance of thinking that one's uninformed opinion, supposedly based on "common sense", is any substitute for education, fact, and relevant knowledge. And the desire of people to believe what they want to believe is so strong that, rather than admit their own ignorance, they claim that there's a "cabal" or a "global warming industry" -- despite the absurdity of that unless one takes the latter phrase literally. Firefighters, climatologists, evolutionary biologists -- these are knowledgeable, trained people with experience who have studied the evidence and understand the phenomena beyond the "common sense" that "water puts out fire", "the sun warms", "it looks designed", etc.

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    jqb (anonymous profile)
    August 15, 2007 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

    Excellent article J'Amy. You're my hero too!

    riveray (Ray Ford)
    August 15, 2007 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

    Any medical suggestions for dealing with the air quality?
    Kids are struggling with scratchy eyes,sore throats,fever in some cases and sluggishness. Saying it is hard to breath.We hose down the ash every morning.
    What is the forcast for the "ash rain".
    The kids ask about the plumes,the smoke,the ash...and the ever repeating,"are we all going to die mom?" and "who started the fire?" To which I answer "no" and "I don't know".
    I wish could do more to help the crews all around town.
    Thank you for being out there and keeping us updated.
    Thank you to all the folks working to help keep us safe.

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    emenzies (Elizabeth Menzies)
    August 15, 2007 at 9:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

    Dear Emenzies: Well, your kids are not alone -- in their questions or in their discomfort from the smoke and ash. At the link below to a previous story I have some smoke and ash tips that might come in useful now.

    Off the top of my head (and maybe some health care pros would like to weigh in here) I would say stay indoors, find some places that are entertaining and air conditioned, like a department store, library, the grocery store, the art museum or movie, or head north for the day for a field trip to Gaviota Beach. I think we may be in for a few days of this gunk, which I don't think will kill us, but it sure will make us cranky!

    The fire was started from ONE spark--really one spark, as I understand it, from a tool (maybe a grinder) being used on a ranch. I don't know WHO the person it, but if I did, I would not tell because I doubt it was that person's intention to burn up over 127,244 acres, cost us $73 million-plus, and give us all pink-eye. I am sure that person is suffering enough without being named.

    Who I’d love to name are all 2,853 heroes working the effort against this fire--tell your kids we are in good hands. The men and women battling this fire are smart, well trained, experienced, dedicated, strong and persevering. They have been living in foul air conditions, much worse than what we here, for a month. They have also faced poison ivy, bee stings, and triple digit temperatures and beyond knurly terrain. They carry 50 pound packs, march for miles, and cot-sleeping at the fire front. They must be dead tired, but they move forward because their job is to protect you and me. Wow!

    How do we say thank-you? Well, in all honesty, other than being prepared and staying out of the way, we probably can’t, but maybe it’s the sentiment that counts. Consider taking your kids inside an air conditioned place and tell them about these heroes. What are the values to be learned here? Maybe they could draw a picture and drop it by the Earl Warren Showgrounds—there is a bulletin board there and seeing your kids’ card could be a sweet moment in an otherwise bitter struggle.

    If drawing isn’t your thing, Santa Barbara County Fire (sbcfire.com) website suggests contributions to the Wildland Firefighters Association, an organization that supports firefighters and their families and strives to take care of the fallen and injured. Visit that website at http://www.wffoundation.org/ for more details, and, of course, if you live in Montecito join MERRAG (merrag.com).

    Ash Flow Tips: http://independent.com/news/2007/jun/30/...

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    JAMY (J'Amy Brown)
    August 16, 2007 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

    Thanks for all the great information! The Independent coverage has been really fabulous, and this interview is more of the same.

    I assume the smoke and ash blowing our way is in part from the backfiring going on in the northeastern side of the fire. Is this right? I just saw a report on keyt.com that we could expect up to four more days of these conditions. Is there any way you or Ray Ford could get some more information about the accuracy of this prediction? I ask, because for health reasons I may have to make some arrangements to leave town for a bit, and would like to have some idea about what is expected in the coming days. Thanks for any information you might be able to uncover.

    For emenzies, air conditioning is definitely your friend in these conditions. Anywhere you can go with filtered air will help. A good time to visit local museums, perhaps. Try to keep windows closed as much as possible, and avoid outdoor activities. A day trip up the coast might be worth the effort. Good luck :-)

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    twobluebikes (anonymous profile)
    August 16, 2007 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

    For the latest information, please link below. The Montecito Fire District has issued some current information for today, Thursday, August 16, 2007 at 10:45 A.M.:
    http://independent.com/news/2007/aug/16/...

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    JAMY (J'Amy Brown)
    August 16, 2007 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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